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Staude said:
headshot91 said:
XxXProphecyXxX said:
dcIKeeL said:
twingo said:
360 cant run the same amount of physics PS3 can, it cant have worlds as big/detailed.



 

 I'm soooo tired of this nonsense!! Do you sony drones truly believe that in the same generation 1 particular system is so advanced that whole games can't be replicated on the competition? Especially since the core technology for both systems is the SAME because, gee idk, they were developed by the SAME GUY!!?!?

Besides, last gen, all you sony fanboys were so quick to dismiss graphical prowess when the sony platform was clearly inferior, as opposed to now, where all people hear is, "wait until blank game and you'll see the true power of ps3 and its cell". The truth is graphics are nice, but they dont make the game, they compliment it. and like aussiegecko said: "its just a marketing gib".

Which ever system is graphically superior is only slightly superior, not 1-2 generations superior. BTW, when looking at pure specs, 360 slightly edges ps3...sooo quit the trolling u tarts

And yet ps3 game stand out more in graphic department such as Uncharted 1 and 2 KZ2 GT5 MGS4 and heavyrain.

 

First of all i think twingo is right about the physics area, ps3 is more avanced in that respect than the 360. no need to call him a sony drone.

You are misguided when looking at pure specs as apart from being , i think, quite subjective, on the technical aspects anyway, when looking at what you get in the actual console e.g. wifi, blu ray player, internet etc, the ps3 trumps the 360 in that repect. PLus the 7 spe's do mean that ps3 is better than the 360 for physics programs. You stop trolling eh?

 

 

If you look at the pure specs what you'll see is 9 active processors at 3.2ghz in the ps3 and 3 in the 360.

And ram wize you'll see 512mg gddr3 rams in the 360 operating at 700mhz while you'll see 256mb gddr3 ram in the ps3 operating at 700 mhz and 256 mb xdr ram operating at 3.2 ghz.

 

:p

 

Furthermore. Practically all multiplat games that run worse on the ps3 were either early in the life cycle, on the unreal engine (built for singlecore technology. Fitting with the 360 because it's cores share. Bottlenecking eachother) or in general made by developers who dump everything on the ppu (one of the ps3s cores) not using the spus.

Yes if you only use the ppu you can get a slightly inferior game to using all 3 of the 360s cores :p

But heres the trick. There are 6.5 other processors you can use. And they'll do anything. You can throw ai at them, various junk code, Rendering. That's right. The SPUs can render FOR the graphics card. I showed this like.. Yep i posted these pics on the first page. But i'll post them again.

I suggest you read the whole pdf. It's pretty interesting. What I showed you was just an example within the pdf.

This was from santa monicas keynote at this years gdc.

http://www.tilander.org/aurora/comp/gdc2009_Tilander_Filippov_SPU.pdf

The ps3 is also used by scientists because the powerful processor matches that of a super computer and it's used in the WORLDS STRONGEST COMPUTER. You don't think they would opt for the much cheaper 360 if it had anywhere near the same amount of juice ?

 

 Boy o Boy, we really are getting dumber aren't we? First of all, your little research there, is automatically thrash as soon as i read "our frame". You should get your information from an objective neutral source not sony or anyone who supports them. Like I sead before, the ps3 and 360 both use the exact same chip/core. EXACT SAME ONE! Why, because they were developed by an engineer named Dave Shippy and his team at IBM, in conjunction with sony, toshiba and later microsoft. That supercomputer chip and core, is in the 360 as well mr. sony minion. This is how it went in summarized laymans terms: It was IBM's chip, IBM was commissioned by Sony and Toshiba to build it, nearly 2 years into the design phase of "THE CELL" IBM struct a deal with Microsoft and decided that It's engineers (dave shippy and company) and they're chip, was also being designed for Microsoft. IBM came to an agreement with sony, toshiba and microsoft that they'd make this 1 COMMON CORE with new features and every company's input would be considered when ever possible. All parties agreed, chip was made, end of story. According to Dave Shippy, the creator of the powerpc processing core(supercomputer chip) and the cell, when asked which company used his processor more efficiently and therefore which console was more powerful he resonded: "I think they're fairly equal. What's interesting is that the powerpc common in both systems is used in completely different ways". Meaning the way the cell uses it's core and the way 360's architecture uses it differ greatly but in the end they're equal, one is more efficient than the other at different things and cancel each other out. You can argue with the designer of the cores if you choose, but this definitely puts a gaping hole in your supercomputer nonsense....seeing as BOTH the ps3 and the 360 are powered by the same processor in your cute little supercomputer.

Word of advice, grow up and be objective to everything, argue with logic not emotion and personal preference, it makes you say stupid bias things like this.



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dcIKeeL said:
headshot91 said:
XxXProphecyXxX said:
dcIKeeL said:
twingo said:
360 cant run the same amount of physics PS3 can, it cant have worlds as big/detailed.



 

 I'm soooo tired of this nonsense!! Do you sony drones truly believe that in the same generation 1 particular system is so advanced that whole games can't be replicated on the competition? Especially since the core technology for both systems is the SAME because, gee idk, they were developed by the SAME GUY!!?!?

Besides, last gen, all you sony fanboys were so quick to dismiss graphical prowess when the sony platform was clearly inferior, as opposed to now, where all people hear is, "wait until blank game and you'll see the true power of ps3 and its cell". The truth is graphics are nice, but they dont make the game, they compliment it. and like aussiegecko said: "its just a marketing gib".

Which ever system is graphically superior is only slightly superior, not 1-2 generations superior. BTW, when looking at pure specs, 360 slightly edges ps3...sooo quit the trolling u tarts

And yet ps3 game stand out more in graphic department such as Uncharted 1 and 2 KZ2 GT5 MGS4 and heavyrain.

 

First of all i think twingo is right about the physics area, ps3 is more avanced in that respect than the 360. no need to call him a sony drone.

You are misguided when looking at pure specs as apart from being , i think, quite subjective, on the technical aspects anyway, when looking at what you get in the actual console e.g. wifi, blu ray player, internet etc, the ps3 trumps the 360 in that repect. PLus the 7 spe's do mean that ps3 is better than the 360 for physics programs. You stop trolling eh?

 

You sir, are retarded. Where does this come from: when looking at what you get in the actual console e.g. wifi, blu ray player, internet etc, the ps3 trumps the 360 in that repect. PLus the 7 spe's do mean that ps3 is better than the 360 for physics programs. Whose talking about console value?? My comment and this thread is strictly about graphical power, and when i say specs i mean the 360's and ps3's respective technological specifications, as in bandwith, memory distribution, processing power, etc...understand? And having more spe's does not  deem it superior, as whats more important than the number of units, is each units efficiency at doing what they do and they're respective limitations and overall limits when looked at as a whole. I understand you'd jump of a bridge for some company who doesnt give 2 tarts what u want and therefore felt the need to state a completely irrelevant comment (which i agree with) about console value in order to gain what u perceived to be an upperhand, but guess what? You, heard about trolling, yes, no? Look it up, ur it!

 

ok, lets deal with this in order.

Just quoting you for a min here :

Word of advice, grow up and be objective to everything, argue with logic not emotion and personal preference

Your post automatically fails by your rules, as you have insulted me, and argued using emotive words.

Secondly, I was saying about technological aspects that people can pull numbers out of anywhere, but it seems that overall the ps3 is more powerful than the 360.

Thirdly, I don't know ehere you got the "having more spe's does not deem it superior" bit from, as when talking about TECHNOLOGICAL ASPECTS e.g. physics, the more spe's make the ps3 more than capable of beating the 360 in that respect, so that argument fails. Just talk to ghostbusters dev team for example. 

Also, I don't know where you come from with your primitive ideas, but I would never "jump off a bridge" for any company, your ideas are just absurd, nasty and confrontational.

I couldn't stop you from forming any subjective opinion over the tech specs of either consoles, so I just put a point in, its more relevant than calling people tarts.

Look up the meaning  of a rational arguement and come back to me eh?

 



headshot91 said:
dcIKeeL said:
headshot91 said:
XxXProphecyXxX said:
dcIKeeL said:
twingo said:
360 cant run the same amount of physics PS3 can, it cant have worlds as big/detailed.



 

 I'm soooo tired of this nonsense!! Do you sony drones truly believe that in the same generation 1 particular system is so advanced that whole games can't be replicated on the competition? Especially since the core technology for both systems is the SAME because, gee idk, they were developed by the SAME GUY!!?!?

Besides, last gen, all you sony fanboys were so quick to dismiss graphical prowess when the sony platform was clearly inferior, as opposed to now, where all people hear is, "wait until blank game and you'll see the true power of ps3 and its cell". The truth is graphics are nice, but they dont make the game, they compliment it. and like aussiegecko said: "its just a marketing gib".

Which ever system is graphically superior is only slightly superior, not 1-2 generations superior. BTW, when looking at pure specs, 360 slightly edges ps3...sooo quit the trolling u tarts

And yet ps3 game stand out more in graphic department such as Uncharted 1 and 2 KZ2 GT5 MGS4 and heavyrain.

 

First of all i think twingo is right about the physics area, ps3 is more avanced in that respect than the 360. no need to call him a sony drone.

You are misguided when looking at pure specs as apart from being , i think, quite subjective, on the technical aspects anyway, when looking at what you get in the actual console e.g. wifi, blu ray player, internet etc, the ps3 trumps the 360 in that repect. PLus the 7 spe's do mean that ps3 is better than the 360 for physics programs. You stop trolling eh?

 

You sir, are retarded. Where does this come from: when looking at what you get in the actual console e.g. wifi, blu ray player, internet etc, the ps3 trumps the 360 in that repect. PLus the 7 spe's do mean that ps3 is better than the 360 for physics programs. Whose talking about console value?? My comment and this thread is strictly about graphical power, and when i say specs i mean the 360's and ps3's respective technological specifications, as in bandwith, memory distribution, processing power, etc...understand? And having more spe's does not  deem it superior, as whats more important than the number of units, is each units efficiency at doing what they do and they're respective limitations and overall limits when looked at as a whole. I understand you'd jump of a bridge for some company who doesnt give 2 tarts what u want and therefore felt the need to state a completely irrelevant comment (which i agree with) about console value in order to gain what u perceived to be an upperhand, but guess what? You, heard about trolling, yes, no? Look it up, ur it!

 

ok, lets deal with this in order.

Just quoting you for a min here :

Word of advice, grow up and be objective to everything, argue with logic not emotion and personal preference

Your post automatically fails by your rules, as you have insulted me, and argued using emotive words.

Secondly, I was saying about technological aspects that people can pull numbers out of anywhere, but it seems that overall the ps3 is more powerful than the 360.

Thirdly, I don't know ehere you got the "having more spe's does not deem it superior" bit from, as when talking about TECHNOLOGICAL ASPECTS e.g. physics, the more spe's make the ps3 more than capable of beating the 360 in that respect, so that argument fails. Just talk to ghostbusters dev team for example. 

Also, I don't know where you come from with your primitive ideas, but I would never "jump off a bridge" for any company, your ideas are just absurd, nasty and confrontational.

I couldn't stop you from forming any subjective opinion over the tech specs of either consoles, so I just put a point in, its more relevant than calling people tarts.

Look up the meaning  of a rational arguement and come back to me eh?

 

 

 awww, we've got a special little one dont we. I can choose to spew my emotions whenever i want as long as they don't interfere with my argument and cloud my judgement. My argument is sound, and it isnt poisoned by any emotion, when i call people tarts and retards and use, jump of a bridge references it is simply to put my opinion of you into perspective. My opinions can be whatever they want and sadly mines and anyone elses are non negotiable so they cannot be called an argument. BTW,just because you aren't using emotive words and tones in your arguments doesnt mean they arent being fueled by emotion. I know you are not as stupid as your arguments make you seem and i;m reasoning that your emotions and personal preferences are clouding your judgement or you're simply choosing to ignore facts. You can like whatever you want, but when you start arguing facts leave your feelings at the door.

I still dont see why you included console value into your argument, since it wasn't a point I or anyone else was contending and didn't compliment the argument of the ps3 being more graphically advanced than the 360 or not. You're simply saying it seems that overall the ps3 is more powerful than the 360. Really headshot, why does it seem that way, hmmm???



NightAntilli said:

What a discussion... Anyway.. I'm only gonna point a few things out..

The PS3 has a big limit in memory bandwidth while the X360 does not have that problem (basically it has "unlimited" bandwidth), and that is where the X360 has a very big advantage. So that person who said that the PS3 memory is superior is simply wrong. That's the main reason the PS3 can't emulate PS2 games on a software basis because the PS2 did have "unlimited" memory bandwidth..

I saw some arguments that developers develop on the weaker platform so that it works on the other platform, and according to him, the weaker platform was the X360. Well how about this?
Mirror's Edge:
Lead platform = PS3 (according to the analogy of that person, the PS3 is the weaker platform)
PS3 & X360 resolution=720p
PS3 AA = no AA
X360 AA = 2x AA
I guess we can throw that out the window. And oyeah, check this out:
http://kotaku.com/5160621/midway-dev-explains-why-ps3-development-is-a-pain-in-the-ass

The most important line in that link was: Anyone making a game, if you're going to make it for both [360 and PS3], just lead on the PS3 because if it works on the PS3 it'll work on 360.

And oooooooooh i really love how this shows how much stronger the PS3 is than the X360:
http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/exclusive-resident-evil-5-anti-aliasing-comparison


Now I'm not trying to say the X360 is more powerful than the PS3, just disproving other people's crap they talk.

About Heavy Rain not being possible on the X360, first of all, you can't claim that without even working properly with the system, 2nd the X360 is still easier for developers because "general" engines like UE3 work fine on it, and that makes developers lazy because they want to use those engines, and it would be too hard to create Heavy Rain for the X360 with UE3, instead of making a whole new engine for it like they did for the PS3. They probably don't want to spend the money and time making a whole new engine for another console since the PS3 engine won't work with the X360... THAT is the reason, it has nothing to do with either console being weaker or stronger.

This....

 



 



how come we dont hear and see any game like heavy rain on 360 in grafix? how come? its because there isnt any.

if 360 is more powerful then its exclusives should look better.

Raz your just flip flopping about, ps3 grafix are better than 360 grafix. i have both consoles and had 360 1st, its clearly evident on my telly that ps3 games look better.



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Im not going to bother reading all them mountains of technical text, but here is my simple view on things.

Whatever system has the best looking games is more powerful. I think we all know what system has the best looking games both out and upcoming.



Megadude said:
PS3 is, has been and always will be more powerful then the 360. End the hysteria already. Even MS themselves have said the PS3 is more powerful- "but 360 has better games".

This is why X-Bots are going nuts right now. Because in 2007 if someone said: "PS3 is more powerful then 360" then they could confidently say "360 has better games".

Now that PS3 has the bluray, better game lineup and better online it's ok to be a little bitter.

 

 Magedude...

How are you going to Back that up?...Saying that PSN is Free?

 



 



Leonidus said:
Im not going to bother reading all them mountains of technical text, but here is my simple view on things.

Whatever system has the best looking games is more powerful. I think we all know what system has the best looking games both out and upcoming.

You're kinda opening yourself up to the argument that X multiplatform game looks better on the 360 argument.



Leonidus said:
Im not going to bother reading all them mountains of technical text, but here is my simple view on things.

Whatever system has the best looking games is more powerful. I think we all know what system has the best looking games both out and upcoming.

 

 the bolded is the only sentence you need, peeps can flip-flop about all they want, bottom line is the games and how good they look.



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Akvod said:
Leonidus said:
Im not going to bother reading all them mountains of technical text, but here is my simple view on things.

Whatever system has the best looking games is more powerful. I think we all know what system has the best looking games both out and upcoming.

You're kinda opening yourself up to the argument that X multiplatform game looks better on the 360 argument.

I know, but according to most reasonable people the PS3 has the best looking games