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Top 10 Portable Games Overall

  1. NDS POKEMON PLATINUM VERSION    NDS     NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  2. NDS NEW SUPER MARIO BROS    NDS     NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  3. NDS MARIO KART DS    NDS     NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  4. NDS MARIO AND SONIC: OLYMPIC GAMES    NDS     SEGA OF AMERICA
  5. NDS RHYTHM HEAVEN    NDS     NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  6. NDS PROFESSOR LAYTON AND THE CURIOUS VILLAGE    NDS     NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  7. NDS GRAND THEFT AUTO: CHINATOWN WARS    NDS     TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE
  8. NDS GARDENING MAMA    NDS     MAJESCO
  9. NDS LEGO STAR WARS: COMPLETE SAGA    NDS     LUCASARTS
  10. NDS MONSTERS VS. ALIENS    NDS     ACTIVISION BLIZZARD

Top 10 Accessories

  1. 360 LIVE 1600 POINT GAME CARD    MICROSOFT
  2. WII NUNCHUK CONTROLLER    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  3. WII REMOTE CONTROLLER W/ JACKET    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  4. PS3 DUALSHOCK 3 WIRELESS CONTROLLER    SONY
  5. 360 LIVE 3 MONTH GOLD CARD    MICROSOFT
  6. 360 LIVE 1 MONTH GOLD CARD    MICROSOFT
  7. 360 HEADSET    MICROSOFT
  8. 360 GUITAR HERO 2 XPLORER CONTROLLER    ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
  9. WII WHEEL GRIP    NINTENDO OF AMERICA
  10. WII REMOTE CONTROLLER    NINTENDO OF AMERICA


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daxiang12 said:
Based on the top 20 per platform, KZ2 will be lucky to get in overall Top 30.

Hmm, TheSource's post made this look stupid.



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Stupid is a strong word.  All I said was my guess.

 

And I own KZ2 in my PS3 collection, just FYI.

 



So much for Killzone 2 legs....



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Excitebots < 9k (not include Wii wheel bundle set)
Klonoa < 2k (one day only)



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outlawauron said:

VALKYRIA CHRONICLES IN THE TOP 10! HELL YES! That means it was undertracked by at least 200%.


And I don't know if this was posted but Excitebots only sold 13k in April.

http://kotaku.com/5255753/excitebots-sells-uh-13000-copies

Or the PS3's software sales bombed.  Hopefully your reasoning.

It's crazy that downloadble content would spur sales of a niche game that sold like a niche game.

Seems DL content is well worth the extra effort.

 

 



Kasz216 said:
outlawauron said:

VALKYRIA CHRONICLES IN THE TOP 10! HELL YES! That means it was undertracked by at least 200%.


And I don't know if this was posted but Excitebots only sold 13k in April.

http://kotaku.com/5255753/excitebots-sells-uh-13000-copies

Or the PS3's software sales bombed.  Hopefully your reasoning.

It's crazy that downloadble content would spur sales of a niche game that sold like a niche game.

Seems DL content is well worth the extra effort.

Well, not only that but GameStop put it on sale for $30 for all of April. It was the #1 selling product at GameStop.com until it sold out.

And I really doubt that VGC would be that far off.



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Ail you had expected Wii shipments to be like 22m you missed by a larger margin than I did. Nintendo wouldn't project 26m if they believed they couldn't beat it. Even last year they initially forecast 25m.

I do see a rise in Wii sales on Punch Out and EA Active. The preorders suggest Punch Out Wii can do a couple hundred thousand week one, maybe half a million. I was flipping around the TV today during the Phillies game and saw half a dozen 30 second to full minute spots. Wii is still going to be down in May from last year it just won't be down as much as you expect. June is a five week month and more EA and sees other sports titles using motion plus release which means Wii will be over 500k, and probably within 10% of what it did last June.

My position was that the decreases in Wii coincide with decreases in PS3 and Xbox 360 and PS2. Every system declined significantly on a weekly basis from March to April by double digit percentages. So even if Nintendo misses its projections, if the seasonality continues to hold true, it doesn't matter.

June should be down by a smaller margin than May since Wii had nothing big in 2008, and has alot of good content for the month. July will be up on the one week Wii Sports Resort is out, but the real push will probably come in August because Wii Sports Resort has only a few days for the month.

If Punch Out does something like 2-3x what Monster Hunter G does in Japan, I would expect a comparable hardware boost - 33% (Wii jumped from 14k to 19k in the pre-Golden week boost) because the USA market is 2-3x bigger. So by NPD figures thats Wii back to 115k/week. But EA Active is going to be big as well. I would think it could do anything from 20,000 to a 200k week one. But its the kind of thing that drives hardware because there are still only a few big excercise games on Wii:  Wii Fit, Jillian Michaels, and then a pretty stiff drop off. Its similar to how the music genre used to be. I don't think its a stretch to think Wii can do 450k-600k in May, especially since Punch Out is the kind of game that should develop long, powerful legs.

There is also the possibility that since DS had a massive month, with the DSi doing over 800k at $170, that with the recession people are only buying their most wanted item. Once the DSi hoopla dies down a bit to seasonal levels, Wii is essentially set to retake the mantle as most wanted item in this industry.

What's more troubling to me is that Sony is unlikely to introduce the PSP-Go before Fall, nor is a PS3 price cut before August more likely (I'd expect the first day of NPD October). Both of those systems could flirt with 80,000-100,000 unit figures in the coming months which means if the price cut/ new model introductions don't work, Sony could miss its projections for PSP and PS3 by 10-30%. In June 2007, PS3 dipped to 98,500, which is <19,000/week.

Can you imagine the reaction if PS3 did 110k in July while Wii did 600k/700k on Wii Sports Resort? In Spring 2007, those low PS3 figures were only beaten 3:1 by Wii, and argument could be made because of price ($250 vs. $600). If PS3 does ~100k/month a few times this year, when PS3 is only 60% more than Wii ($400 vs. $250), and Wii does 500k/600k/700k there is going to be serious doubt that price is the real differentiation between the two systems, which would put Sony under pressure not to drop price, since their market share will look fairly lousy regardless of improvement, but at least maintaining profit margins they could have the games division carry the company for a while again.



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Ail said:
TheSource said:

You guys are missing the wider picture here.

If PS3/360/Wii weekly rates continue to decline and rise at similar rates, month after month nothing is going to change. It doesn't matter if Wii sells 400k or 800k anymore if it keeps outselling the other two systems combined when it costs less to make Wii games, and those games can reach a comparable number of people. The Wii base is 20m in the USA - similar to the size of the SNES base in 1996, with years left to build.

On the other hand, EA Active and Punch Out combined - not alone but combined - seem like as good a combo as anything for building Wii demand. Both games have great ads, and the fortunes of Nintendo/EA largely ride on these games for the quarter so I don't think they are going to fuck mess up the opportunity.

 

 

I thought the wider picture was Nintendo forecasting to ship 26 millions units this fiscal year and less than 2 weeks ago some of you were even saying Nintendo could announce up to 28 millions units for 2009-2010....

Heck like one week ago you told us you expected that Punch Out and those EA games would bring sales back to last year level by end of May and now I think you're just suggesting they will stabilize wii sales. There's a huge difference between stabilizing sales are the current level and have them go back to last year level ( like a 50% difference..).

The even wider picture is that the other console company is forcasting 30% growth for its home console for FY 2009. It certainly caught a lot of people by surprise and started all these rumours again.

 



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.