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liquidninja said:
@steven787

Not the freedom to steel. The freedom to share, trade, back-up something I own.

Except legally I don't own it anymore. Because it's being licensed to me now at the rate something used to be sold to me.

$50 to $60 for something I don't get to own that rediculas.

 

Share? That is iffy. If you want to share, lend the original cart to your friend. Or do you like to "share" one ticket into movie theaters?

Trade?? So before you trade a game, you want to make a copy for yourself?

Backup. Okay. There is some valididy in this. But given the first two, I wonder how much that really applies.

Now if you are just using this thread to support a mindset you have for PC anti-pirate methods then that makes a little more sense, but it is hard to blame the segment of the industry hit with the largest percentage of pirating. It all comes down to the fact that it is their product to do with what they may. If you don't like the terms of your licence, then don't buy it. By the way, you have never bought software or any other media. It has always been licenced.



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It's easy to shove a license down everybodys throat when the whole industy is doing it. You basically have to go without any entertainment if you don't like the their terms because they're everyones terms. Of course they don't go out of their way to explan this to you when you purchase rent from them.

Why is everyone assuming I'm trying to rip the mega corporations off here? I buy my stuff I don't try to distrubute copy of their stuff. I just want the freedom to share, trade and back-up something that I payed for ownership of.



steven787 said:

Look up the social contract... I'll sum up the basics for you.  We live together, so we set up a system of rules.  Whether we like the system and the rules or not, we are bound to live by them or face the loss of life (death penalty) freedom (jail) or wealth (fines or law suits).

You don't like the rules, you are welcome to become an activist or lobbyist and campaign for a change.  Breaking the law is usually not a good way to protest.

 

The social contact is just a theory.  Anway, the social contact theory popular during the American Revolution was that people would pool resources together to create a government which would protect their rights.  If the government didn't do what it was supposed to then the people could abolish the government and that is what happened with the American Revolution.

You are speaking of the socialist version of the social contact which implies that people cannot overthrow the government if it doesn't live up to it's end of the bargin (protecting almost everyone's rights almost all of the time).  Clearly, there is a marked difference in theories.

 



 

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liquidninja said:

It's easy to shove a license down everybodys throat when the whole industy is doing it. You basically have to go without any entertainment if you don't like the their terms because they're everyones terms. Of course they don't go out of their way to explan this to you when you purchase rent from them.

Why is everyone assuming I'm trying to rip the mega corporations off here? I buy my stuff I don't try to distrubute copy of their stuff. I just want the freedom to share, trade and back-up something that I payed for ownership of.

I don't think anybody has issues with the back up something part.  I think people are getting mad at you over the share/trade part.  If you want to share, that means you actually give them something and then they give it back to you when they are done.  That is sharing.  Trading is you giving somebody something and they giving you something in return.  Thats trading.

When you give somebody a copy of something you have bought and you retain the full version, that is distributing.  Did the person you gave it to pay for it?  Why should they be able to get a free copy?  and how does the people that made the product get compensated for their hard work when that happens? 

So, basically, you already have the ability to share and trade with people.  The only thing you can't do is back it up. 

 



...So, basically, you already have the ability to share and trade with people.  The only thing you can't do is back it up. 

 

Virtual Console and WiiWare doesn't let you share or trade games and they're not the only ones.



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^ Yes, but I don't know anyone who is confused on this point. If it is something that is important to you, don't pay for it.



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liquidninja said:

...So, basically, you already have the ability to share and trade with people.  The only thing you can't do is back it up. 

 

Virtual Console and WiiWare doesn't let you share or trade games and they're not the only ones.

True, but we are actually talking about ds games here, not downloadable games (which need to be locked due to ease of pirating).  What gaming software that isn't dowloadable can't you trade or share?

Also, you don't need to wory about backing up these downloadable games because the service does that for you.  They keep track of what you have bought, so if something happens and you lose the data, you can just re-download it without paying for it again.  So there is one of your issues out of the way.

The matter of trading and sharing is just something that is factored into these types of games.  I think it is all factored into the cost, as they are pretty cheap.  For example, puzzle quest galactix, $30 on ds $20 on xbl.  Same game, but you pay 10 bucks less for the downloadable version.  You buy them with the understanding you won't be able to share or trade. 

Now as far as physical media products, like DS cartidges, it's very easy to trade and share these games (at least in the legal manner.) 

 



@lasped_gamer

This is not about stealing or piracy it's about controlling what I do with what I own.

@gergroy

I'm talking about companies trying to control our use of their products. Our rights and freedoms do not have be taken away to stop piracy.



liquidninja said:

@lasped_gamer

This is not about stealing or piracy it's about controlling what I do with what I own.

@gergroy

I'm talking about companies trying to control our use of their products. Our rights and freedoms do not have be taken away to stop piracy.

I don't really see what rights or freedoms they are stealing.  You can still bring your wii to your friends house to share games with them, it's more of a hassle yes, but they aren't holding a gun to your head and telling you that you can't do it. 

Fact of the matter is, technology is changing.  That means the way entertainment and content is delivered to us changes as well.  30 years ago you couldn't go on the internet and download movies and games at will, so the laws were different.  However, now you can.  We have more access now to pirated products than ever before, how is that taking away our rights and freedoms? 

Honestly, I think there needs to be more done so that we can get back to how hard it was to pirate things 30 years.