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What would Jesus torture? Cats. He was a sick bastard like that, got off on all sorts of things.

I mean, when was the last time he brought a lady home?



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Wow, that was about the most purposefully biased and pathetically generalized articles I've ever read. There's not really much to argue, because if you can't see how shallow that article was in it's conclusions than you're probably not going to want to hear anything I have to say anyway.



Rather than using my brain cells to conjure up an obvious rebuttal (and to prove this guy is full of shit)
I'll just say: The Media hates Christians. There, the truth is out.



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Tyrannical said:

Atheist Russia and Atheist China over saw two of the biggest mass genocides of its own citizens in human history.  I can't think of a single atheists run country that isn't a totalitarian brutal dictatorship, and I also can't think of any long lasting atheist civilization through out all history.

It makes me think that Atheism and it's lack of moral guidance is incompatible with civilization, and that the brutality inherent in their regimes is a reflection of that.

Is that because they were atheists or because they were Stalin and Mao?

I can't think of a single theocracy that isn't a dictatorship using religion to control everybody's actions.

Why is it that when a religious leader massacres millions of innocent people, the argument is "Oh, well religion isn't evil, that person was evil and used religion to get to power, but they weren't really religious anyway" but if an atheist uses communism or any other political agenda to get to power... it's atheism's fault?

Tyrannical said:

I'm sure it's just a conincidence that Atheist cultures never formed through out human history prior to the 20th century.

Communism is based on atheist principles. Religion is a tool to control the worker sound familliar? Just look at the attrocities and lack of human rights that has been evident in every atheist country over the last 90 years. Not a single example of an atheist country that wasn't a brutal dictatorship. It's proof that atheists lack of moral guidance leads to the destruction of civilization, as has been shown in every case so far.

America was very secular a few centuries ago.  Barely anybody went to church, and there were no megachurches, or church revival road shows, or evangelical radio and TV stations.  New technologies have spread the church around with the different evangelical and revival and born-again movements.  But it's hard to spread religion on the internet, and I think that's one of the main reasons more kids are growing up without religion.

The U.S. was founded by deists as a secular nation, and several of the founding fathers even actively hated religion and said so all the time.  So yeah... atheists have been around forever.

 

Everybody seems to either be attacking the article (makes sense) or attacking atheism as a whole (as usual).

But before the article went all inflammatory and crazy, he did raise a good argument.  We live in a secular society founded by deists, in which atheists are anti-torture, anti-war, and anti-death penalty, but they get painted as the villains by evangelicals who are pro-torture, pro-war, and pro-death penalty.  Aren't those good Christian values (as in... coming from Christ's teachings, not from modern evangelical Christianity)?

Are atheists living by Christian values while some Christians are living by the morals of a vengeful Old Testament God instead of the forgiving loving commie-hippie Jesus that washed prostitute feet, preached turning the other cheek and loving your neighbor and your enemies, and passed out free booze?  I don't even believe in Jesus and I love the guy's advice.  Why don't more Christians?



@Rubang, problem is that people just see what they want and that is not what they see in their political or religious leaders. Maybe after another 5 repubs switch partys in the next few years people will wonder why.



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WWJT? Himself. He's God, remember, he sent himself down to be tortured on cross. hahahaha



WessleWoggle said:
WWJT? Himself. He's God, remember, he sent himself down to be tortured on cross. hahahaha

 

 

He cracked the whip a few times at jewish moneychangers operating out of his Temple.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Tyrannical said:

I'm sure it's just a conincidence that Atheist cultures never formed through out human history prior to the 20th century.

Communism is based on atheist principles. Religion is a tool to control the worker sound familliar? Just look at the attrocities and lack of human rights that has been evident in every atheist country over the last 90 years. Not a single example of an atheist country that wasn't a brutal dictatorship. It's proof that atheists lack of moral guidance leads to the destruction of civilization, as has been shown in every case so far.

 

Do you know why that is. Because prior to the 20th century we didn't know much about the universe. But the more we find out, coupled with the increasing exchange of information, the more evident it is becoming that personal gods are unprovable. Ever think that may be the reason atheist cultures have existed only recently? Perhaps that is why Atheism is growing.

So atheism is the only theology that promotes genocide in the 20th century? How about the Rwandan genocide of 1994 where up to a million people died because of religious beliefs? How about all the countless religious genocides before that? What do you attribute that to? Were the countless religious genocides pre-twentieth century justified somehow?

People will always find excuses to kill other people and because two of them have been atheist does not mean that we are all murdering psychopaths.