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gameman on 12 May 2009
bardicverse said:
gameman said:

People keep saying the PS3 will last longer because the PS3 is at such a high price that they have a long ways to go for a price drop. Thats not true at all. Sony is giving basically a super computer with a blue ray player and a massive hard drive for $400. Develping costs is at least $400 or more. The arugument does however work with the Wii or Ipod as those have an incredibly high price for what it is. A $200 mp3 player and $250 Game cube with motion controls. If either of those sales started to sag, Apple or Nintendo could slash prices and still make a very good profit. Nintendo just reported a whopping $5.7 billion dollars in profit for the last fiscal year. About 1/3 of the entire corporation of Microsoft on only 2 products!!!! Wow!! The PS3 howeverhas no room for a price cut. The blue ray player is no doubt a very expensive technology for them and for consumors.

Bolded 1 - Its not a super computer. Maybe it was in 2006 when it launched, but by today's standards, it's a decent processor at best, definitely no super computer. Blu Ray is struggling to break through from standard DVD sales, while HD-DVD failed, Blu Ray isn't exactly winning either. In 2006, your argument may have had weight. In 2009, the price needs to drop, its overpriced for B+ parts.

Bolded 2 - Simply, stop being an idiot. While you have a fair point, calling the Wii a GameCube with motion controls just makes you look like a troll. If you want to be taken seriously, stop saying such trollish things.

Bolded 3 - I won't get into your spelling here. Instead, I will suggest what Sony could and should have done. Release a "Playstation 3 Arcade", remove the Blu Ray drive, cut the price down to 250 to compete with the Wii. Sure it wont be able to play some "Blu Ray" only games, but that's what the people get for the cheaper price.

It is no new news that Sony pretty much destroyed themselves this generation with the Blu Ray drive in the PS3. There will never be a "breakeven" for them in Blu Ray sales that will make up for their lost revenue and marketshare in the console industry this generation. It was a bullish, stupid move on their part, trying to rip more money from consumers' pockets. In turn, their old customers game them the cold shoulder and moved on to Nintendo's and Microsoft's products instead. Sony made their bed, now they're laying in it.

This is normal procedure when a company loses sight of reality. Nintendo did this in the early 90s, and they got soundly rejected, their customers turning to Sony's Playstation One. Now, it is Sony's turn to feel the wrath of the consumer base. The saddest part of it all is how short lived Blu Ray will be, definitely will not even be a blip on people's radars in 2-3 years from now.

 

 

 

Howard Stringer has said time and again that they are not profiting on the PS3. This is a fact, not an opinion. Sony is expecting a $1.5 billion dollar loss no thanks to the PS3.

 



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max power on 12 May 2009
gameman said:

Howard Stringer has said time and again that they are not profiting on the PS3. This is a fact, not an opinion. Sony is expecting a $1.5 billion dollar loss no thanks to the PS3.

 

 

He might be including the development cost in those numbers.  I don't know... but the fact of the matter is, a Blu-Ray drive can be had for $90 or less on Newegg, and there's not much in the PS3 to make the argument that it's worth $400 or more.



Derek on 12 May 2009
KBG29 said:
2. Sony has many no sacrificial price reductions in the works right now. The drop to 45nm tech in the Cell and RSX, the smaller BD drive, less cooling tech, and a smaller motherboard. They may even be able to look at a smaller form factor as early as this September, or as late as next September. In any case they are looking at an easy shead of $100 dollars with everything said and done. Then it will not be long before they drop to 32nm tech, and shave another chunk of change.

 

 Sony is set to report a loss of upwards of $1.5 billion on Thursday.  Are you aware of this?



Stop getting so excited about a Kid Icarus remake... the original NES Icarus sucked.

 

outlawauron on 12 May 2009
max power said:
A supercomputer with Blu-Ray and a massive hard drive, for $400?

First of all, hard drives are about $80-90 for a terabyte these days. I'm not sure I'd call 40GB "massive."
Second, blu-ray, yeah that's about $80 for a drive.

And supercomputer? Is that a joke? Maybe it would have been a supercomputer a few decades ago (I'm pretty sure many modern cell phones would be too), but it's pretty weak compared to the standard fare you can buy at Dell.com, and I don't think they sell supercomputers.

Stop being arrogant. PS3s are used by many universities in the US for servers, supercomputers, etc.

And there is no 40GB PS3.



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gameman on 12 May 2009

The PS3 has helped to cure cancer and find aliens in outer space by Nasa. So yea, its a Super duper computer. IBM and Apple have nothing on this baby



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Samus Aran on 12 May 2009

Lol, my Economy teacher said a company like Microsoft will never make it to the next century or get 100 years old. It will divide and divide and eventually dissapear(Don't ask why, wasn't paying attention)

Anyway, you're right.



max power on 12 May 2009
outlawauron said:
max power said:
A supercomputer with Blu-Ray and a massive hard drive, for $400?

First of all, hard drives are about $80-90 for a terabyte these days. I'm not sure I'd call 40GB "massive."
Second, blu-ray, yeah that's about $80 for a drive.

And supercomputer? Is that a joke? Maybe it would have been a supercomputer a few decades ago (I'm pretty sure many modern cell phones would be too), but it's pretty weak compared to the standard fare you can buy at Dell.com, and I don't think they sell supercomputers.

Stop being arrogant. PS3s are used by many universities in the US for servers, supercomputers, etc.

And there is no 40GB PS3.

 

The key to your post is the 's' after PS3.  Yes, you could make a supercomputer out of multiple PS3's, but you could probably do that with enough NES's if you were so inclined. And for every ONE place that does it with PS3's, there are dozens or hundreds more that do it with Intel or AMD hardware that you could run in your desktop or laptop.

 

Fact of the matter is, calling an 80GB or 160GB (SORRY) hard drive "massive," and a $400 piece of consumer electronics a "supercomputer," is absurd.  Do you seriously disagree?



wfz on 12 May 2009

Wait a second, am I the ONLY one who sees this thread as being entirely broken every time I open it? Almost everyone's posts are all inside of theprof00's posts, and they're all cut off about 3 inches in to the post.

Is theprof00 haxin my interwebs?



theprof00 on 12 May 2009

you can read the replys by
hitting "tich text reply" at the
bottom. On the reply page all
the posts show up correctly.



ymeaga1n on 12 May 2009

theprof....edit you're original post which caused this to happen. Just edit and repost.