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dahuman said:

@twingo

I think you misread, the dead weight is the PS3, not SCE itself, I think internally, they've already realized that it's a failure, and so far they have no real way to recover but they have to at least try to keep their share holders by doing lousy PRs and make first party exclusives that don't sell nearly as well as a lot of the 3rd party software or Nintendo first party software. PS3 is not a technical marvel, it's a shortsight, Sony fucked up on this one and they are suffering hard, it doesn't even matter if BR is doing well or not tbh, the company as a whole is loosing a ton of money where even when Nintendo was loosing on numbers, they made real profit each year.

Luckily, they are not Sega, they have other assets to fall back on before they dry up so they really need to figure something out fast.

 

Actually interally they have yet to utilize it as much as they could.  Sony pictures and music should have been selling their stuff on PSN since day one.

And their games dont sale as well as 3rd partys, are you dense or something.  9 of the 30 +1 million sellers are Sonys.



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BenVTrigger said:
Infinity said:
The only way the 360 is not going to come in dead last in worldwide sales this generation is a $99 Arcade model being announced at E3. Microsoft's investors are already crying foul at all the money being wasted on the 360, the weakest product in the whole company. The only way they could sustain a $99 price point is to liquidate their remaining units and discontinue the 360. I think that they will not do this and Microsoft's stock value will continue to tank as the current leadership insists on throwing more money at this product.

 

 

I find it very difficult to believe this is a real post....he's joking right? The 360 is far from a failure and perhaps with the last xbox shareholders were worried but not so with the 360. Do you realize just how much cash they make off of xbox Live alone? As to your prediction that the only way to not come in last this gen is a 99 dollar arcade I have a simple question to ask you.

If they are so doomed to last place then why is it outselling the playstation every week? Go ahead and use the whole price exscuse all you want but I'm getting tired of hearing that. Sony set the price that way so if thats the answer its not that MS is lucky. Sony shot themselves in the foot and shouldn't have been so arrogant. Its their own fault they're in last.

Xbox Live does not make as much money as you think. In its most recent quarter, only Microsoft's Entertainment & Devices division (Xbox 360) posted a loss for the company. Needless to say, investors do not want Microsoft to continue funding a money losing product like this. The same thing happened to Sega, but Microsoft is a much larger company. However, with leadership like this it won't be forever.

 



Lord N said:
nightsurge said:
AFFLICTION said:
i love people who make threads like this to start shit

i love people who don't read the thread and even when they do they don't understand what he is saying so they try to start shit

Seriously people, there is absolutely nothing wrong with his logic. And have any of you noticed HE IS JUST REFERENCING AMERICA AKA THE USA (and surrounding countries)! You know, the place where the 360 has almost ALWAYS sold more regardless of price cuts. Where the 360 has over a 9 million lead alone! Where the PS3 sells poorest in comparison to other regions!

Gosh, sometimes people need to read and think and understand before trying to label someone as intelligent as Squilliam a fanboy.

The Gamecube was dropped like a rock after the new gen started. It was in last place in sales in the US. The PS2 still sells to this day because it was the market leader. The Xbox was dropped just for Microsoft to focus all its attention on its real investment and first major push as making a thriving console after the original Xbox Live was such a success.

The PS3 is now in last place by a VERY long shot. More than double their total even in the US. If any console is going to be dropped from retailers due to lacking sales at the launch of the next generation of consoles it will be the PS3 in the US. Sure that year may not be 2012. It could be 2011 or it could be 2013 or 2014. Regardless, whenever that year comes the PS3 will be cut first and that will stop the 10 year plan in its tracks for America AKA the USA.

 

What he's getting at is that from the beginning, this thread has done little more than state the obvious in an apparent attempt to bash the PS3, and even then, it's extremely flawed.

As I've already stated, by 2012, all three console manufacturers will have released their next console. When that happens, both the PS3 and 360 are gone because they don't have very broad appeal, and most of the gamers to whom they do appeal(the core and the hardcore) and going to jump to the next-gen consoles. Only the console with universal appeal, the Wii, is guaranteed to still be around at that point.

Even if you argue that the PS3 will vanish first, then the 360 won't be that far behind, because the combined userbase is what's keeping the two consoles alive. If one is missing, then the other one will die, even in N. America.

 

 

I agree with this.  Only the market leader will be around much longer after the next wave of consoles is released.  That is the basis of this thread.  The PS3 is likely to go first just as the Gamecube did, but the 360 will not be far behind.  That is unless Microsoft makes a breakthrough on "forwards compatibility"

 



Lord N said:
nightsurge said:
AFFLICTION said:
i love people who make threads like this to start shit

i love people who don't read the thread and even when they do they don't understand what he is saying so they try to start shit

Seriously people, there is absolutely nothing wrong with his logic. And have any of you noticed HE IS JUST REFERENCING AMERICA AKA THE USA (and surrounding countries)! You know, the place where the 360 has almost ALWAYS sold more regardless of price cuts. Where the 360 has over a 9 million lead alone! Where the PS3 sells poorest in comparison to other regions!

Gosh, sometimes people need to read and think and understand before trying to label someone as intelligent as Squilliam a fanboy.

The Gamecube was dropped like a rock after the new gen started. It was in last place in sales in the US. The PS2 still sells to this day because it was the market leader. The Xbox was dropped just for Microsoft to focus all its attention on its real investment and first major push as making a thriving console after the original Xbox Live was such a success.

The PS3 is now in last place by a VERY long shot. More than double their total even in the US. If any console is going to be dropped from retailers due to lacking sales at the launch of the next generation of consoles it will be the PS3 in the US. Sure that year may not be 2012. It could be 2011 or it could be 2013 or 2014. Regardless, whenever that year comes the PS3 will be cut first and that will stop the 10 year plan in its tracks for America AKA the USA.

 

What he's getting at is that from the beginning, this thread has done little more than state the obvious in an apparent attempt to bash the PS3, and even then, it's extremely flawed.

As I've already stated, by 2012, all three console manufacturers will have released their next console. When that happens, both the PS3 and 360 are gone because they don't have very broad appeal, and most of the gamers to whom they do appeal(the core and the hardcore) and going to jump to the next-gen consoles. Only the console with universal appeal, the Wii, is guaranteed to still be around at that point.

Even if you argue that the PS3 will vanish first, then the 360 won't be that far behind, because the combined userbase is what's keeping the two consoles alive. If one is missing, then the other one will die, even in N. America.

 

 

Bash the PS3? So how is stating how the lowest selling consoles aren't sold anymore once a new generation starts bashing? Im sure there are better threads/posts which are candidates for bashing than that. So its a crime to question one 10 year plan?

The gamers will jump, but its not an instant process. It took time for the Xbox 360 to sell 5M consoles, 10M consoles etc, people don't all decide at once that they want a 'next generation console' right now. Hell the Wii doesn't even have universal appeal because if it did then it would command a much higher proportion of the market, more than ~50% anyway.

 



Tease.

rNES said:
Teh 10 year plan!

 

 

Microsoft has an 11 year plan..so what?



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cause the doomsday is gonna take a toll on everything that exists.



Thread Title: Inflammaroty statement meant to offend a bunch of people and continue the (somehow satifying?) cycle of fanboy agression.

Original Post: "That is what I believe." (Even though I pulled a number from my imagination for the thread title and offered no data or other proof connected with it in this post.)

Rest of the thread: But I'm reasonable and witty, I swear!

Good times, Squil, good times :)


Honestly, the PS3 could go off of shelves in the US beofre 2012, or not... who knows?



 

Alic0004 said:
Thread Title: Inflammaroty statement meant to offend a bunch of people and continue the (somehow satifying?) cycle of fanboy agression.

Original Post: "That is what I believe." (Even though I pulled a number from my imagination for the thread title and offered no data or other proof connected with it in this post.)

Rest of the thread: But I'm reasonable and witty, I swear!

Good times, Squil, good times :)


Honestly, the PS3 could go off of shelves in the US beofre 2012, or not... who knows?

Said when fanboys don't understand simple logic.

He gives us a possibility and backs it up with facts from previous generations.  How is this so hard to understand?  Again, this is America only he is talking about.  The one place that the PS3 will never, EVER, catch up in sales.

The date he chose is irrelevant.  It's the idea that "when the next generation starts" the PS3 will be dropped from retail space due to having the lowest sales.  It could be before or after 2012 but the basis of this thread is the same.



Well, the thread title implied something much more specific than what he said in his post. I'm not sure I understand where you disagree with me, except... emotionally?



 

Alic0004 said:

Well, the thread title implied something much more specific than what he said in his post. I'm not sure I understand where you disagree with me, except... emotionally?

I disagree with your attempt to give Squilliam some unfavorable reputation and to label this as some flame bait thread.

You also stated he offered no data or other proof related to the topic, but he did.