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SciFiBoy on 09 May 2009
Tyrannical said:
SciFiBoy said:

how can it not be Racist to refuse someone entry to your country based soley on the fact they werent born there?

 

 

What can be said for a man who would allow his home to be invaded by strangers who demanded they be fed, clothed, housed and granted the rights of the first-born? What can be said for a ruling elite that permits this to be done to the nation, and who celebrate it as a milestone of moral progress? --Pat Buchanan
The seething racial resentment in the Third World against the West -- decades after independence and trillions in foreign aid -- should cause second thoughts about opening our borders to mass immigration from that world. Not everyone coming here brings in his heart the passionate attachment to America we attribute to the peoples of Ellis Island. -- Pat Buchanan

 

what a load of crock

Edit: so, you have to be born somewhere to have any rights in that nation? good thing i dont go on holiday often atm then!

3rd world resentment? not really, its only nations like Iran or Syria where thats true, i barely ever here of Africans who hate the west (other then Mugabe, but thats a dictator not a civilian)

if people dont like the UK or US theyre unlikely to move here anyway, so your point is kinda mute, its like saying pigeons dont like park a, so they will ruin park a, when in actuallity, the pigeons will just go to park b or stay away from parks

why should nationalism or patriotism be requirements to live in a nation? surely someone who thinks the nation is ok and wants to live here for whatever reason has every right to do so? if anything there better than some crackpot who hates foreigners for no reason

who the fuck is pat buchannan?



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Tyrannical on 09 May 2009
SciFiBoy said:

if people dont like the UK or US theyre unlikely to move here anyway, so your point is kinda mute, its like saying pigeons dont like park a, so they will ruin park a, when in actuallity, the pigeons will just go to park b or stay away from parks

why should nationalism or patriotism be requirements to live in a nation? surely someone who thinks the nation is ok and wants to live here for whatever reason has every right to do so? if anything there better than some crackpot who hates foreigners for no reason

who the fuck is pat buchannan?

Welcome your fellow UK Citizens.

 

 

The crisis of the West is a collapsing culture and vanishing peoples, as a Third World that grows by 100 million people, the equivalent of a new Mexico, every 18 months, mounts the greatest invasion in history of the world. If we do not shake off our paralysis, the West comes to an end.-- Pat Buchanan


Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

SciFiBoy on 09 May 2009
Tyrannical said:
SciFiBoy said:

if people dont like the UK or US theyre unlikely to move here anyway, so your point is kinda mute, its like saying pigeons dont like park a, so they will ruin park a, when in actuallity, the pigeons will just go to park b or stay away from parks

why should nationalism or patriotism be requirements to live in a nation? surely someone who thinks the nation is ok and wants to live here for whatever reason has every right to do so? if anything there better than some crackpot who hates foreigners for no reason

who the fuck is pat buchannan?

Welcome your fellow UK Citizens.

 

 

The crisis of the West is a collapsing culture and vanishing peoples, as a Third World that grows by 100 million people, the equivalent of a new Mexico, every 18 months, mounts the greatest invasion in history of the world. If we do not shake off our paralysis, the West comes to an end.-- Pat Buchanan

 

oh good, use a vast minority and imply they represent all imigrants, well done...

how exactly are western people and culture dying out?



Tyrannical on 09 May 2009
SciFiBoy said:

oh good, use a vast minority and imply they represent all imigrants, well done...

how exactly are western people and culture dying out?

 

 Keep letting those immigrants in and you'll have your answer. Fraqnce is starting to figure it out.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

SciFiBoy on 09 May 2009
Tyrannical said:
SciFiBoy said:

oh good, use a vast minority and imply they represent all imigrants, well done...

how exactly are western people and culture dying out?

 

 Keep letting those immigrants in and you'll have your answer. Fraqnce is starting to figure it out.

 

so, youre not gonna address any of the points i raised are you?

i dont know about France, i thought theyre problem was Racism against Arabs?

there are allways a few nut jobs, but we shouldnt close our borders to stop the 1 nut job out of every 500k or so, its not fair on the other 499,999 people who arent nut jobs.

why do people have an irrational fear of anyone different to what they deem normal?



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Kasz216 on 09 May 2009

Closing down Immigration isn't a racism issue. It's a reality issue.

If you let as many people into the country as want to be there.... it's quickly going to be overcrowded... and if your a country like the Uk... your really going to be hurt as socialist programs have more and more mouths to feed when the number of employed doesn't grow as fast.

It's like what happens in third world countries.

People flood the cities and the infrastructure can't handle it and the cities end up collapsing.



Tyrannical on 09 May 2009
SciFiBoy said:

 

so, youre not gonna address any of the points i raised are you?

i dont know about France, i thought theyre problem was Racism against Arabs?

there are allways a few nut jobs, but we shouldnt close our borders to stop the 1 nut job out of every 500k or so, its not fair on the other 499,999 people who arent nut jobs.

why do people have an irrational fear of anyone different to what they deem normal?

France's problem is the Muslim immigrants don't want to act French and accept French culture. They want to keep their own culture, which is incompatable with French culture.

Too many third world immigrants are either unable or unwilling to accept and live succesfuly under Western culture. Their existance will only serve to drag their new country down to the level of the country they left.

 

 



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

SciFiBoy on 09 May 2009
Kasz216 said:
Closing down Immigration isn't a racism issue. It's a reality issue.

If you let as many people into the country as want to be there.... it's quickly going to be overcrowded... and if your a country like the Uk... your really going to be hurt as socialist programs have more and more mouths to feed when the number of employed doesn't grow as fast.

It's like what happens in third world countries.

People flood the cities and the infrastructure can't handle it and the cities end up collapsing.

 

the UK is doing just fine, immigration isnt really an problem from what i can tell, its nowhere near the levels that would cause disruption on that scale, even relaxing our immigration laws, we would still more than cope, especially as many immigrants here come from the EU to work, so they boost the economy, without immigration, i doubt our 10 year boom would have been so good.

i dont see why we shouldnt let people in, sure, we cant let everyone in, but i dont think we need closed borders on any of that bs, why shouldnt we let who we can afford to let in, in?



Kasz216 on 09 May 2009
Tyrannical said:
SciFiBoy said:

 

so, youre not gonna address any of the points i raised are you?

i dont know about France, i thought theyre problem was Racism against Arabs?

there are allways a few nut jobs, but we shouldnt close our borders to stop the 1 nut job out of every 500k or so, its not fair on the other 499,999 people who arent nut jobs.

why do people have an irrational fear of anyone different to what they deem normal?

France's problem is the Muslim immigrants don't want to act French and accept French culture. They want to keep their own culture, which is incompatable with French culture.

Too many third world immigrants are either unable or unwilling to accept and live succesfuly under Western culture. Their existance will only serve to drag their new country down to the level of the country they left.

 

 

Usually second and third generation immigrants give up a lot of their cultures though.

 



SciFiBoy on 09 May 2009
Tyrannical said:
SciFiBoy said:

 

so, youre not gonna address any of the points i raised are you?

i dont know about France, i thought theyre problem was Racism against Arabs?

there are allways a few nut jobs, but we shouldnt close our borders to stop the 1 nut job out of every 500k or so, its not fair on the other 499,999 people who arent nut jobs.

why do people have an irrational fear of anyone different to what they deem normal?

France's problem is the Muslim immigrants don't want to act French and accept French culture. They want to keep their own culture, which is incompatable with French culture.

Too many third world immigrants are either unable or unwilling to accept and live succesfuly under Western culture. Their existance will only serve to drag their new country down to the level of the country they left.

 

 

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so if i go to the US, i would have to reject all UK culture and accept all US culture?

i get why they need to comply with our legal system and stuff, but cultural assimilation? i dont see why they cant keep much of theyre culture and still intergrate?

i really dont think immigrants do many of the things you say they do, ive met several, none of them seemed intent on dragging the UK down...