SaviorX said: Rath said: @Saviour. So you're saying that you cannot say that Hitler was a bad person? Or that Jesus was a good person? Afterall, both of those are judgements. As for atheists not having explanations for things, a lot of us look long and hard for explanations. Usually explanations can be found through things like logic and the scientific method.   By judgments, I mean people I meet in my own life. Hitler was one of the worst people in history,there is absolutely NO dispute about that. That is why I hope there is a God, because if there is, Hitler has a place to go to account for his atrocities, instead of dying like a coward and taking his own life, avoiding punishment.

What if god forgives him?  What if god forgives everybody.  It was a very common belief among christianity early on.

God forgives all, and basically your only punishment is to know you've dissapointed the person who created you.  Basically you were a failed product.

GamingChartzFTW said: SaviorX said: GamingChartzFTW said: SaviorX said: There is a specific word for it, but it is like if I said, "If God really exists, Madworld will sell 9 million copies right now...OH wait...it didn't!" It is pretty much blasphemy.   I could tell you a few stories that prove why I have faith, but that isn't really necessary.     Challenge yourself! Do tell us, because we are interested.   There have been many times where my family members have been in immediate danger, but yet are still here. One time I barely had money, but I gave $2 bucks away anyways, bringing me down to a few cents. The very same day I was walking home and I found $20, ten times what I gave away. I read in the Bible things increasing by folds, so I went with that.  Wow!! D:   Plus, not to sound like some jerk, I think I'm a really good person morally. Most of the people here on the boards are really good persons morally. God is pretty much THE "role model" he supposedly killed and caused mass murder etc. Jesus is supposed to be your role model, not God.  to follow so I try my best to be good. I don't judge people because only God really can. Everyone can judge other people. I have hope in my future because I always have somebody looking out for me. All of us good people here on earth are constantly looking out and caring for eachother. It's called society.   I do question some aspects of religion; I don't agree with everything, but I take bits and pieces of what sounds correct and build my character off that. With atheism, there's no incentive, no need to love. BS! Worst insult I've heard in my life. We are nice because we care about the lifes we live here on this planet, not because we expect eternal life as a "reward from God". But since I'm not an atheist, I don't truly understand how atheism is really like morally.   Someone here can explain that to me........     @ your "But since I'm not an atheist, I don't truly understand how atheism is really like morally." Atheism has no morals, nor does religion. Morals derives from the need for human cooperation and organization in order to survive.

 

I spent lots of time in school learning about morality and the "Church".  Guidelines and moralityarea big focal point.  I never said other people aren't good,it is just that my faith has enhanced my already established sense of decency that's all.

 

OK Jesus is my role model then if you want it that way, but God is valid here (at least to me).

 

Atheism just seems like isolated. Eureka! There are no atheist conventions or meeting or gatherings. Humans need social interaction, but atheism just looks like a lonely endeavor. That's what I was trying to say; they can love people lol

SaviorX said: Rath said: @Saviour. So you're saying that you cannot say that Hitler was a bad person? Or that Jesus was a good person? Afterall, both of those are judgements. As for atheists not having explanations for things, a lot of us look long and hard for explanations. Usually explanations can be found through things like logic and the scientific method.   By judgments, I mean people I meet in my own life. Hitler was one of the worst people in history,there is absolutely NO dispute about that. That is why I hope there is a God, because if there is, Hitler has a place to go to account for his atrocities, instead of dying like a coward and taking his own life, avoiding punishment.

So basically you are saying that you hope there is a God so that Hitler can be punished or face some sort of consequences?

Hitler died. He paid the ultimate consequence. His demise is a lesson for us all. Humanity always learn something from history even though history has a tendency to repeat itself. That is his legacy.

As for your 'thirst after revenge/consequences'. Many religious people often rant about how they want others to burn in hell and stuff like that. I'm pretty sure the Jesus most christians believe in would forgive Hitler.

btw.. Rath, you enacted Godwin's Law. LOL LOL XD

 

Kasz216 said: SaviorX said: Rath said: @Saviour. So you're saying that you cannot say that Hitler was a bad person? Or that Jesus was a good person? Afterall, both of those are judgements. As for atheists not having explanations for things, a lot of us look long and hard for explanations. Usually explanations can be found through things like logic and the scientific method.   By judgments, I mean people I meet in my own life. Hitler was one of the worst people in history,there is absolutely NO dispute about that. That is why I hope there is a God, because if there is, Hitler has a place to go to account for his atrocities, instead of dying like a coward and taking his own life, avoiding punishment. What if god forgives him?  What if god forgives everybody.  It was a very common belief among christianity early on. God forgives all, and basically your only punishment is to know you've dissapointed the person who created you.  Basically you were a failed product.

This more complex than I am about to tell you, but God usually only forgives people willing to repent. Hitler committed the ULTIMATE sin of murder AND Suicide. You usually have to be alive to be forgiven to prepare for the next life. Last time I checked, Hitler never apologized.

 

I think people in hell stay there, or else the entities suffering in Hell for centuries would eventually get sick of it and become truly sorry. So no, I don't think God forgives the hell-bent.

 

GamingChartzFTW said: SaviorX said: Rath said: @Saviour. So you're saying that you cannot say that Hitler was a bad person? Or that Jesus was a good person? Afterall, both of those are judgements. As for atheists not having explanations for things, a lot of us look long and hard for explanations. Usually explanations can be found through things like logic and the scientific method.   By judgments, I mean people I meet in my own life. Hitler was one of the worst people in history,there is absolutely NO dispute about that. That is why I hope there is a God, because if there is, Hitler has a place to go to account for his atrocities, instead of dying like a coward and taking his own life, avoiding punishment. So basically you are saying that you hope there is a God so that Hitler can be punished or face some sort of consequences? Hitler died. He paid the ultimate consequence. His demise is a lesson for us all. Humanity always learn something from history even though history has a tendency to repeat itself. That is his legacy. As for your 'thirst after revenge/consequences'. Many religious people often rant about how they want others to burn in hell and stuff like that. I'm pretty sure the Jesus most christians believe in would forgive Hitler. btw.. Rath, you enacted Godwin's Law. LOL LOL XD

Yea I do.When nobody believes in any sort of redemption, what is left to defend against anarchy and absolute chaos? Nothing. People could decide to do whatever the heck they want without and fear of consequence. People don't have to live life afraid, but for Pete's sake, there have to be some boundaries! As for Hitler, I can't find one person who will ever want to forgive him. What did he do to deserve forgiveness?

SaviorX said: GamingChartzFTW said: SaviorX said: Rath said: @Saviour. So you're saying that you cannot say that Hitler was a bad person? Or that Jesus was a good person? Afterall, both of those are judgements. As for atheists not having explanations for things, a lot of us look long and hard for explanations. Usually explanations can be found through things like logic and the scientific method.   By judgments, I mean people I meet in my own life. Hitler was one of the worst people in history,there is absolutely NO dispute about that. That is why I hope there is a God, because if there is, Hitler has a place to go to account for his atrocities, instead of dying like a coward and taking his own life, avoiding punishment. So basically you are saying that you hope there is a God so that Hitler can be punished or face some sort of consequences? Hitler died. He paid the ultimate consequence. His demise is a lesson for us all. Humanity always learn something from history even though history has a tendency to repeat itself. That is his legacy. As for your 'thirst after revenge/consequences'. Many religious people often rant about how they want others to burn in hell and stuff like that. I'm pretty sure the Jesus most christians believe in would forgive Hitler. btw.. Rath, you enacted Godwin's Law. LOL LOL XD     Yea I do.When nobody believes in any sort of redemption, what is left to defend against anarchy and absolute chaos? Nothing. People could decide to do whatever the heck they want without and fear of consequence. People don't have to live life afraid, but for Pete's sake, there have to be some boundaries! As for Hitler, I can't find one person who will ever want to forgive him. What did he do to deserve forgiveness?

You should not ask "what did Hitler do to deserve forgiveness?" You should ask what it is inside of you that want other people to burn forever in hell? Wanting such a thing makes you the exact opposite of Jesus!

You are the so called christian here. Never had I expected that I would ever have to remind a self proclaimed christian about the codex and essential part of the New Testament.

 

Most Atheists I've met in my life, live a life closer to Jesus' values than many christians do. Quite the paradox, so to speak.

 

Kasz216 said: Scientists just have faith that Dark Energy exists.  Just how they had faith that certain elements on the periodic table existed before anyone was able to recreate them in a labratory setting.

I know this was a while ago, but faith is not the right word here.  The right word would probably be theory.  They have a theory that dark energy exists.

SaviorX said: Kasz216 said: SaviorX said: Rath said: @Saviour. So you're saying that you cannot say that Hitler was a bad person? Or that Jesus was a good person? Afterall, both of those are judgements. As for atheists not having explanations for things, a lot of us look long and hard for explanations. Usually explanations can be found through things like logic and the scientific method.   By judgments, I mean people I meet in my own life. Hitler was one of the worst people in history,there is absolutely NO dispute about that. That is why I hope there is a God, because if there is, Hitler has a place to go to account for his atrocities, instead of dying like a coward and taking his own life, avoiding punishment. What if god forgives him?  What if god forgives everybody.  It was a very common belief among christianity early on. God forgives all, and basically your only punishment is to know you've dissapointed the person who created you.  Basically you were a failed product. This more complex than I am about to tell you, but God usually only forgives people willing to repent. Hitler committed the ULTIMATE sin of murder AND Suicide. You usually have to be alive to be forgiven to prepare for the next life. Last time I checked, Hitler never apologized.   I think people in hell stay there, or else the entities suffering in Hell for centuries would eventually get sick of it and become truly sorry. So no, I don't think God forgives the hell-bent.

This was not always the case in christianity however.  There were many sects that believe god forgives everybody... regardless of everything.  Those who were faithful were his favorites, but everyone was still forgiven.

Most were murdered by the catholic church during the purges.

 

theRepublic said: Kasz216 said: Scientists just have faith that Dark Energy exists.  Just how they had faith that certain elements on the periodic table existed before anyone was able to recreate them in a labratory setting. I know this was a while ago, but faith is not the right word here.  The right word would probably be theory.  They have a theory that dark energy exists.

There isn't really a difference.  I mean... what makes Dark Energy anymore credible then "God is pushing the universe" or "Dark space wind is pushing everything created by a white hole."

 

Kasz216 said: theRepublic said: Kasz216 said: Scientists just have faith that Dark Energy exists.  Just how they had faith that certain elements on the periodic table existed before anyone was able to recreate them in a labratory setting. I know this was a while ago, but faith is not the right word here.  The right word would probably be theory.  They have a theory that dark energy exists. There isn't really a difference.  I mean... what makes Dark Energy anymore credible then "God is pushing the universe" or "Dark space wind is pushing everything created by a white hole."

Yes, there is a difference between those words.  It may seem subtle, but there is a difference.

You also seem to be getting hung up on the words "dark energy".  We know there is something out there causing these unexplained observable effects.  We happen to call it dark energy.  The name doesn't matter.