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Forums - Sales - Nintendo FY 3/2009 Earnings Results & Projections: Coming May 7

TheSource said:

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/index.html

It looks like on May 7 - Japan time - Nintendo will announce its fiscal year results for the year ending March 2009 and it will issue projections for the year ending March 2010. I'm on the east coast of the USA - these results tend to come in about 3:30 am my time, which is ~26 hours from this post because Japan time is 12 hours ahead of east coast usa time usually.

As the most powerful videogame only company in the world, Nintendo usually releases alot of relevant information in its reports, including regional breakdowns, and what they are seeing as far as trend changes, so whether you like Nintendo or not there is alot that can be learned from reading their reports.

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For Fiscal Year 3/2009  Nintendo made the following projections:

April 2008 projection: 25m Wiis, 177m Wii games, 28m DS, 187m DS games

July 2008 projection: Unchanged

August 2008 projection: 26.5m Wiis, 186m Wii games, 30.3m DS, 197m DS games

October 2008 projection: 27.5m Wiis, 200m Wii games, 30.5m DS, 207m DS games

January 2009 projection: 26.5m Wiis, 193m Wii games, 31.5m DS, 193m DS games

For Fiscal Year 3/2008 Nintendo made the following projections:

April 2007 projection: DS HW 22m, DS SW 130m, Wii HW 14m, Wii SW 55m

July 2007 projection: DS HW 26m, DS SW 140m, Wii HW 16.5m, Wii SW 72m

October 2007 projection: DS HW 28m, DS SW 165m, Wii HW 17.5m, Wii SW 97m

January 2008 projection: DS HW 29.5m, DS SW 179m, Wii HW 18.5m, Wii SW 115m

Actual FY 3/2008 Results: DS HW 30.31m, DS SW 185.62m, Wii HW 18.61m, Wii SW 119.6m

So Nintendo beat its initial FY 3/2008 projections for DS HW by FY 3/2008 by 8.3m (!!), DS SW by 55.6m (!!),  Wii HW by 4.61m (!!), and Wii SW by 64.6m (!!)...shipping over 300m games instead of the projected 185m, and 49m units of hw instead of the projected 36m. Obviously this is what inflated Nintendo's stock price in 2007 - these were unprecedented results in gaming. Sony's best sw year was 268m games in production shipments.

For FY 3/2009, if Nintendo meets its January projections for the March 2009 year, DS hw looks like it beat Nintendo's initial estimate by over 12%, DS sw by 3% while Wii hardware is 6% above the original estimate, and Wii sw is 9% above the original estimate.

I'm expecting DS SW to be closer to 200m on retailers more aggressively restocking key games ahead of the DSi launch, and DS hw may be a bit higher than 31.5m too. Wii should come in at 26.2m and 195m I figure.

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March 2010 Projection Trends to Watch For:

- Iphone/PSP2 (PSP-Go if one of them exists!) threat to DS sales. If Nintendo sees a threat look for DS sales to be down otherwise DS should be flat or up - probably 30-33m.

- Price cuts. In Japan a PS3 price cut right now would seriously hurt Wii. Nintendo may choose to cut the Wii price in Japan to counteract this. Western markets look ok through at least this Christmas regardless of PS3/360 price cuts as unemployment rates of 8-10% don't bode well for $400 consoles with $60 games.

- Wii HW/SW. How big is Motion Plus? If Nintendo expects it to be big look for Wii to be forecast at 28m - 33m for the FY, with 200m-280m games shipped for the year. Otherwise, look for maybe 23m-28m with 175m-230m games on Wii. If Wii gets price cuts worldwide, which is unlikely, I don't think 35m or 40m would be out of the question. A price cut in Japan would assure 25m+ though.

I'm expecting 28m-30m Wiis projected, with about 230m games projected for Wii (the average Wii owner buying ~3 games in a year - it seems doable). DS I think will be up slightly on the DSi launch. Who know what they'll project though. DS has beaten its projections every year since it was launched I believe. 32.5m and 205m I think are doable, especially since DS will have a good May-July with DQIX and Kingdom Hearts, and the system should have its best western Christmas this year...which is scary since it did 3m+ in December just in the USA last year.

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Thoughts?

 

 Seeing how weak Q1 2010 is shaping to be I am doubtfull Nintendo will predict anything north of 25 million Wii sold for 2010.

My guess is they will predict something like 22 million Wiis units... No clue for software...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

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Can't say I agree with you yet although I don't think its an unreasonable argument if you look at the current hardware trends without 2009 software...But with software, June looks flat or up year over year since WSR will help in Japan, and the North American Wii market should be reinvigorated on the diversity of games released and new feature sets of late May to June. Punch Out and EA Active are both potentially enormous. Tiger Woods and the other early motion plus games should keep Wii elevated from the May boost, and June 2008 just wasnt that impressive for Wii so I think its in range. The main difference, to me between 2008 and 2009 is that May, June, and July look big this year, while in 2008 March, April, May were all huge. But when you factor in January and February 2009 being up over 2008 I don't think its much more than a draw through midyear. The end of the year for Wii already looks stronger in 2009 than in 2008 so I don't think sales will be down that much.



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So, it's now 3 hours away?
Holy heck, I cannot watch it live, I gotta go to school in one hour and 40.
It's such a shame, I woke up ay 6:30 AM just because of this.



No its either 30 min or 1 hr and 30, Im 1 hr ahead of japan in est coast oz.



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megaman79 said:
No its either 30 min or 1 hr and 30, Im 1 hr ahead of japan in est coast oz.

Wow, I'm sure pretty bad at counting.

Thank you.

I hope they'll come out in 30 minutes, because otherwise I couldn't read them anyway.

 



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TheSource said:

Can't say I agree with you yet although I don't think its an unreasonable argument if you look at the current hardware trends without 2009 software...But with software, June looks flat or up year over year since WSR will help in Japan, and the North American Wii market should be reinvigorated on the diversity of games released and new feature sets of late May to June. Punch Out and EA Active are both potentially enormous. Tiger Woods and the other early motion plus games should keep Wii elevated from the May boost, and June 2008 just wasnt that impressive for Wii so I think its in range. The main difference, to me between 2008 and 2009 is that May, June, and July look big this year, while in 2008 March, April, May were all huge. But when you factor in January and February 2009 being up over 2008 I don't think its much more than a draw through midyear. The end of the year for Wii already looks stronger in 2009 than in 2008 so I don't think sales will be down that much.

 

 I don't think a price cut outside of Japan makes sense financially by the way.

Lets say Nintendo sells 20 million units outside of Japan at the mininum.

Cut the price by 50$ and that's 1 billion $ of profit loss...

Lets say they sell 5 million more consoles  thanks to the cut and they still make 100$ of profit per console after the cut ( I do not see how they could make more),  that's 500 million more profit thanks to increased sales.

Total loss : 500 million $....(increased software could reduce this but not much, to make 500 million $ of profit of extra software Nintendo would have to move a shitload of Wii software thanks to the cut...)

Would be smaller if the cut happened later in the year but still at this point any price cut would eat into Nintedo's profit and they have been focusing on that aspect a lot....

 

The maths are different in Japan because the sales are so low a price cut easilly double them and actually not affect profit much...( the profit could even increase if you factor additional software sold).



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Where exactly can we follow it?

On http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/index.html ??



They're out!
I'm reading them right now.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2009/090507e.pdf

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2009/090507_2e.pdf



It will be an update to this page

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/news/index.html

While there is no point in arguing this two-three hours before the data, I think its possible that Nintendo has no idea what M+ will do.

The two extremes are:

1) No one new will be interested in M+, developers will screw it up/arrive late to the party and Wii will sell mainly off previously software with M+ doing little more than preventing a dip.

2) M+ will allow for actual motion control implementation of a fuller range of genres which will diversify the Wii lineup, prevent the system from needing a price cut, and invigorate sales beyond current levels based on the genre diversity.

 

Right now we know motion control works pretty well (for publisher revenues only - not in terms of game play) for about five things if we're generous about genre definitions :

- Sports (particularly Golf, Tennis and Bowling)

- Fitness (is Wii Fit aerobics or cardio vascular? I haven't played it yet)

- Music (Simulations - I consider Rockband/GH essentially motion sensing games which is why they do well everywhere)

- Mini Game Compilations (RRR, Mario Party, Carnival Games, Wario Ware)

- Shooters (this is overlooked - but Link's Crossbow Training, Call of Dutys, Metroid Prime, and a few others have done well)

 

To me, M+ has realistic genre sales growth potential in at least the following areas:

- Sports: Boxing, Baseball, Ultimate Frisbee, Pool

- Traditional Fighters

- Action RPGs - Swords, Boomerangs, etc

- "Head Tracking"

 

Its up to developers to make those advances happen, but even if only some of those genres improve over the next few months I think we'll see Wii sales top 2008.

Wii is always going to cede certain popular types of game play to other machines - online obsessed gamers, football games and racers immediately spring to mind. But Nintendo definitely has some of the sports audience this generation which can be pretty lucrative, and with Wii Fit and other fitness titles still doing well they seem to have invented a female sports gaming audience.

 



People are difficult to govern because they have too much knowledge.

When there are more laws, there are more criminals.

- Lao Tzu

Hm they beat their SW projections for Wii & DS but missed by about 400k-500k on Wii and DS hw.

Forecast:

30m DS for FY March 2010/  180m games

26m Wii for FY March 2010/ 220m games



People are difficult to govern because they have too much knowledge.

When there are more laws, there are more criminals.

- Lao Tzu