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Ogrekiller on 06 May 2009

 



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goddog on 06 May 2009
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
Jboy0990 said:
i agree. all this "Sony in trouble" shit is annoying
Sony in a multi million dollar company and they got exclusives and everything to help them out
They'll be fine
I think Sony knows more about what they're doing han what people on websites say

:)  Don't you mean multi-BILLION dollar company?

 

 

with the price cuts they have in mind it will be lucky to be multi million in a few years 



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Jboy0990 on 06 May 2009

multi-million/billion whatever
still.... a shit load of money



Loud_Hot_White_Box on 06 May 2009
Squilliam said:

 

Legend11 said:
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
FY End
 Sony Game Segment
 Nintendo
 Sega
 Microsoft EDD
 Buying Power
1981:
1982:
1983:
1984:
1985:
1986:
1987:
1988:
1989:
1990:
1991:
1992:
1993:
1994:
1995:
1996:
1997:
1998:
1999:
2000:
2001:
2002:
2003:
2004:
2005:
2006:
2007:
2008:		 ??
-$126,213,498
$670,917,654
$1,240,457,088
$1,363,484,268
$852,616,750
-$555,754,896
$783,695,997
$1,063,613,299
$671,346,883
$438,555,396
$81,290,790
-$2,028,476,040
-$1,082,048,517		 $46,596,272
$210,765,368
$179,391,326
$144,956,422
$163,939,499
$4,372,535,73
$564,868,656
$661,196,572
$827,288,834
$726,336,460
$1,531,838,380
$1,675,368,918
$1,880,345,913
$1,376,286,454
$1,330,433,496
$1,015,850,619
$765,512,985
$1,355,203,824
$1,560,823,573
$1,607,265,969
$920,825,784
$1,126,191,421
$945,282,980
$1,069,765,995
$1,132,929,693
$839,568,082
$1,973,460,748
$4,235,013,684		 ??
??
??
??
??
??
??
??
$99,650,250
$145,524,600
$192,922,080
$442,852,800
$738,228,414
$618,334,288
$437,261,529
$418,489,956
$367,290,514
$145,403,856
$20,799,386
-$447,215,134
-$565,539,696







 -$1,340,700,000
-$1,999,200,000
-$1,021,880,000
-$1,078,700,000
-$1,132,320,000
-$505,760,000
-$1,395,450,000
-$2,056,320,000
$264,330,000		 2.33
2.20
2.13
2.04
1.97
1.94
1.87
1.79
1.71
1.62
1.56
1.51
1.47
1.43
1.39
1.35
1.32
1.30
1.27
1.23
1.20
1.18
1.15
1.12
1.09
1.05
1.02
0.99
Total:
 $3,373,485,174 $30,304,561,500 $2,614,002,843 -$10,266,000,000

Note: Only the buying power for the actual year is taken into calculations not the fiscal year.

Note: These are the rate as of March 20, 2009

from:

 

The Microsoft losses include everything in their Entertainment & Devices division, not just their consoles.  So it's hardly fair to add losses for everything else to the Xbox numbers.  But who are we kidding, this was just an attempt by some fanboy to spin numbers.

 FY*       Sony**        Nintendo        Microsoft
1998    974,000,000    629,000,000
1999   1,130,000,000   645,000,000
2000    730,000,000    421,000,000
2001    -409,000,000   726,000,000
2002    623,000,000    800,000,000     -750,000,000
2003    939,000,000    560,000,000     -1,191,000,000
2004    650,000,000    316,000,000     -1,215,000,000
2005    404,000,000    777,000,000     -485,000,000
2006    75,000,00      894,000,000     -1,262,000,000
2007   -1,969,000,000  1,489,000,000   -1,892,000,000
2008   -965,000,000     2,193,000,000   532,000,000                       
Totals  2,182,000,000  9,450,000,000   -6,263,000,000

I like these ones better.

 

 

The one I posted was supposedly the inflation-adjusted one.

I highly doubt that if you take away all the non-XBox losses from MS EDD you are left with a profit.  This especially since MS, investors, and others have referred to XBox as losing money pretty consistently over the years.

The gulf between Playstation's profits and Xbox's losses is still probably billions, though you're right, it may not be the full $13 billion difference listed in the first chart.



binary solo on 06 May 2009

^ What that tells you is Nintendo is the Sh1t! When it comes to turning YoY serious profit.



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Tyrannical on 06 May 2009
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:

You don't seem to see the BIG picture.  Sony doesn't have to sell as much as other companies do to break even.  Sony developers aren't paying fees to put a title on it's own platform.  Sony developers aren't paying for using Blu-ray from Sony's OWN BD pressing factories around the world.  Sony developers don't have to pay a publisher to manage and promote the title.  These WOULD BE FEES are ALL sources of revenue for EACH game sold.

As long as Sony is NEAR breaking even, they can make new titles all day EVERY DAY.

As far as good games go, you must not have looked at the review scores for Heavenly Sword, Resistance 2 and Motorstorm 2.  That's why ONLY Lair and Haze makes sense in your argument.  Anything else is just too ridculous to consider.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you've never taken an accounting class before, have you?

 



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thx1139 on 06 May 2009
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
Squilliam said:

 

Legend11 said:
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
FY End
 Sony Game Segment
 Nintendo
 Sega
 Microsoft EDD
 Buying Power
1981:
1982:
1983:
1984:
1985:
1986:
1987:
1988:
1989:
1990:
1991:
1992:
1993:
1994:
1995:
1996:
1997:
1998:
1999:
2000:
2001:
2002:
2003:
2004:
2005:
2006:
2007:
2008:		 ??
-$126,213,498
$670,917,654
$1,240,457,088
$1,363,484,268
$852,616,750
-$555,754,896
$783,695,997
$1,063,613,299
$671,346,883
$438,555,396
$81,290,790
-$2,028,476,040
-$1,082,048,517		 $46,596,272
$210,765,368
$179,391,326
$144,956,422
$163,939,499
$4,372,535,73
$564,868,656
$661,196,572
$827,288,834
$726,336,460
$1,531,838,380
$1,675,368,918
$1,880,345,913
$1,376,286,454
$1,330,433,496
$1,015,850,619
$765,512,985
$1,355,203,824
$1,560,823,573
$1,607,265,969
$920,825,784
$1,126,191,421
$945,282,980
$1,069,765,995
$1,132,929,693
$839,568,082
$1,973,460,748
$4,235,013,684		 ??
??
??
??
??
??
??
??
$99,650,250
$145,524,600
$192,922,080
$442,852,800
$738,228,414
$618,334,288
$437,261,529
$418,489,956
$367,290,514
$145,403,856
$20,799,386
-$447,215,134
-$565,539,696







 -$1,340,700,000
-$1,999,200,000
-$1,021,880,000
-$1,078,700,000
-$1,132,320,000
-$505,760,000
-$1,395,450,000
-$2,056,320,000
$264,330,000		 2.33
2.20
2.13
2.04
1.97
1.94
1.87
1.79
1.71
1.62
1.56
1.51
1.47
1.43
1.39
1.35
1.32
1.30
1.27
1.23
1.20
1.18
1.15
1.12
1.09
1.05
1.02
0.99
Total:
 $3,373,485,174 $30,304,561,500 $2,614,002,843 -$10,266,000,000

Note: Only the buying power for the actual year is taken into calculations not the fiscal year.

Note: These are the rate as of March 20, 2009

from:

 

The Microsoft losses include everything in their Entertainment & Devices division, not just their consoles.  So it's hardly fair to add losses for everything else to the Xbox numbers.  But who are we kidding, this was just an attempt by some fanboy to spin numbers.

 FY*       Sony**        Nintendo        Microsoft
1998    974,000,000    629,000,000
1999   1,130,000,000   645,000,000
2000    730,000,000    421,000,000
2001    -409,000,000   726,000,000
2002    623,000,000    800,000,000     -750,000,000
2003    939,000,000    560,000,000     -1,191,000,000
2004    650,000,000    316,000,000     -1,215,000,000
2005    404,000,000    777,000,000     -485,000,000
2006    75,000,00      894,000,000     -1,262,000,000
2007   -1,969,000,000  1,489,000,000   -1,892,000,000
2008   -965,000,000     2,193,000,000   532,000,000                       
Totals  2,182,000,000  9,450,000,000   -6,263,000,000

I like these ones better.

 

 

The one I posted was supposedly the inflation-adjusted one.

I highly doubt that if you take away all the non-XBox losses from MS EDD you are left with a profit.  This especially since MS, investors, and others have referred to XBox as losing money pretty consistently over the years.

The gulf between Playstation's profits and Xbox's losses is still probably billions, though you're right, it may not be the full $13 billion difference listed in the first chart.

Inflation adjusted...What a joke. I have seen that chart (the first one) before going around on VG and always thought it seemed off now I know why.

 



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

crumas2 on 07 May 2009
nightsurge said:

Where is your proof that they were off by $35?  A forum post with no evidence and just a one sentance statement?  NO.

You claim he is a "Sony Insider" and via the "proof" we find out he has nothing to do with Sony.

Also, I am well aware that some people can use finance companies, but do you really think large corporations such as Sony don't have in house accountants?

He works for Toshiba.  Not Sony.  Are you saying he works for both Toshiba AND a financial firm that somehow manages Sony's finances?  I don't know what your statement about Toshiba not being a part of the BDA has anything to do with.  I kinda emphasized the point that they were rivals since Toshiba backed HD-DVD and Sony backed Blu-Ray!!!!!  So why would Toshiba be a part of the Blu-Ray Disc Association!?!?! DUH!  I don't even know where you got that I implied they were a part of it....

You seem to not understand anything and make no sense!

 

You're both correct.  Large firms tend to have their own accountants, and they also tend to use the big accounting firms, primarily for audits.  But that being the case, an accountant with one of the financial firms who would post in a public forum any "insider" information acquired during an audit or ANY other financial service they provided to Sony would be in great danger of losing his job and of going to prison.  I'm not speaking from speculation, here... I work in the Information Security department of a Fortune 100 company.

The poster claiming he has proof from an insider has proved nothing with this "insider" information source, but yet he still persists.  Amazing.

 



Kali on 07 May 2009

It is about the time to play those aces. 8 million gap is not too easy to catch up.



HanzoTheRazor on 07 May 2009
Megadude said:
but ninja blade....

LOL. And, Ninja Blade sucks balls.

Playing and finishing games first>>>>>>>>>>Then talking!

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