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Ascended_Saiyan3 on 05 May 2009

By Nightsurge:

You're right it is not set in stone.  It could be combined and 45nm.  Nothing has been officially confirmed, just as your speculation on 45nm RSX and 45nm Cell are still just rumor.

Also, I fixed your post for you.  You seem to read to far into things and assume I mean things that I don't.  You seem to have an unbased bias of one company over the other, and you immediately like to bring up things like RRoD and E74.  This whole time you have been on the defensive trying to protect your precious Sony when I have just been sitting her and posting realistic statements rather than fanboy illogical ones.

I have not once tried to bash the PS3 for it's current sales position, merely challenged your "proof" with genuine inquiry. After receiving insufficient results from you, I explained why each of your "evidence" didn't work and why each of your thoughts on the matter were flawed.

You're right, you definitely are a fanboy.

BTW:  Where is the solid evidence of iSupply's figures being wrong and of this guy actually being a Sony insider?  If his name has anything to relate to his age, he's only 21 years old and there is no way he is an accountant for Sony seeing such details as Blu-Ray drive orders for the PS3.

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How can the X360 chip be on a 45nm process when they don't have a foundry for their 45nm process?  We just know that some 65nm chip orders have been placed, but it could just be for the big @ss eDRAM to be shrunk.  That is a MUST before slamming the GPU and CPU together.  I guess it helps to know a bit about these things.  You should try that.

You KNOW you received that confirmation.  Just look up at my other post.  I would think Sony's finance guy would have a BETTER idea of costs than iSuppli.  Of course, that's just common sense.  Hell, even iSuppli calls their assessment an ESTIMATE.

Stop trying to dodge the fact that you were incorrect about about the figures, me, and yourself.



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badgenome on 05 May 2009
coolbeans said:
The only thing I can think of that's up Sony's sleeves are watches, 'cause they're just wanting the next few years go by fast for PS4.

Ba-zing!

 



NiKKoM on 05 May 2009

I'm was just eating popcorn and saw this....

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Now does someone has more popcorn for me?
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Originally Posted by sj001
Also, I know you are not with SCEA, but any thoughts on Sony's pricing strategies for their PS3? Rumors are that they are going to drop the price soon and that they are phasing out the PS3 80GB.

We also have a nice addition of new smilies, including my favorite!

Not my place to say, sorry.

New smilies are cool though...
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nightsurge on 05 May 2009
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:

By Nightsurge:

You're right it is not set in stone.  It could be combined and 45nm.  Nothing has been officially confirmed, just as your speculation on 45nm RSX and 45nm Cell are still just rumor.

Also, I fixed your post for you.  You seem to read to far into things and assume I mean things that I don't.  You seem to have an unbased bias of one company over the other, and you immediately like to bring up things like RRoD and E74.  This whole time you have been on the defensive trying to protect your precious Sony when I have just been sitting her and posting realistic statements rather than fanboy illogical ones.

I have not once tried to bash the PS3 for it's current sales position, merely challenged your "proof" with genuine inquiry. After receiving insufficient results from you, I explained why each of your "evidence" didn't work and why each of your thoughts on the matter were flawed.

You're right, you definitely are a fanboy.

BTW:  Where is the solid evidence of iSupply's figures being wrong and of this guy actually being a Sony insider?  If his name has anything to relate to his age, he's only 21 years old and there is no way he is an accountant for Sony seeing such details as Blu-Ray drive orders for the PS3.

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@Nightsurege

How can the X360 chip be on a 45nm process when they don't have a foundry for their 45nm process?  We just know that some 65nm chip orders have been placed, but it could just be for the big @ss eDRAM to be shrunk.  That is a MUST before slamming the GPU and CPU together.  I guess it helps to know a bit about these things.  You should try that.

You KNOW you received that confirmation.  Just look up at my other post.  I would think Sony's finance guy would have a BETTER idea of costs than iSuppli.  Of course, that's just common sense.  Hell, even iSuppli calls their assessment an ESTIMATE.

Stop trying to dodge the fact that you were incorrect about about the figures, me, and yourself.

Uh, you never showed proof he was a finance guy at Sony.  I looked through his threads created and they all seem like standard 21 year old babble about games and movies.  I didn't see anywhere where he provided proof of his "insiderness", and I'm sorry, but you need to prove he is before we can accept your claims.

What figures was I incorrect about, exactly?  You still haven't shown me any solid proof of anything.....

 



Loud_Hot_White_Box on 05 May 2009

People were aguing about what the companies have made/lost with their gaming divisions; here's some data.  Someone want to post the data in this thread?  I'm sure if I tried to cut and paste it I would fail.

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=57802&page=1

Inflation-adjusted incomes:

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=57802&page=14

 

That aside, I was face-palming like Picard a bit at the OP and thread title.  ("All"?)



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nightsurge on 05 May 2009
NiKKoM said:

I'm was just eating popcorn and saw this....

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Now does someone has more popcorn for me?
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Originally Posted by sj001
Also, I know you are not with SCEA, but any thoughts on Sony's pricing strategies for their PS3? Rumors are that they are going to drop the price soon and that they are phasing out the PS3 80GB.

We also have a nice addition of new smilies, including my favorite!

Not my place to say, sorry.

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Ahhhh... so he is NOT a Sony Finance guy!!  Ouch... there goes the majority of Ascended's arguments.

 



crumas2 on 05 May 2009
starcraft said:
PS3 really does hold all the Aces.

Now if only we weren't playing Uno.

Darn!  You beat me to it.

I was going to say Horse Shoes, but Uno works.

 



vaio on 05 May 2009
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
vaio said:
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
nightsurge said:
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
nightsurge said:
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
nightsurge said:
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
nightsurge said:
Dark Chaos said:
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:

Sony's losses are only a drop in the bucket when considering MS's losses.  While Sony's losses are NOT small, it's there business model to keep pushing the industry forward with innovative and original games/gameplay.  It's been their pattern since the PS1.  Every new hot 1st/2nd party game will be the one that broke the camel's back for some people.  We shall see if original titles that push the envelope is what gamers want.  If these gamers only want the same old same old games, Sony's strategy may not work.

Personally, I think gamers don't just want the same old same old type games, so Sony's strategy will work.

 

ORLY??

Duh!  Everyone knows 2.9 Billion USD loss for Sony is NO WHERE NEAR AS BAD AS Microsofts $112 million USD profit!

Sure, just act like I didn't post the following:

You mean you aren't aware of it?  $5+ billion for Xbox.  AT LEAST $2 billion over the first 2 years of operation (NOT including the advertising expenses since they are tied into all of MS advertising costs).  $1+ billion for RRoD and E74.  Class action and regular lawsuits that have to pay out TWICE the GDP of Cambodia (total of over $9 billion).  Plus, there are NEW class action lawsuit popping up over the X360 as we post!

 

Lol, um.... links?  MS never paid upwards of 9 billion in class action lawsuits.  In fact, I don't think a single one regarding the 360 has ever been won, soo.....  Also, you claimed it as "Microsoft and Sony" not "Microsoft and Sony's Entertainment/Console division.

I was merely showing that even when the Xbox and 360 lost money originally, MS as a whole prospered while Sony as a whole is doing awful because of PS3 and the yen.

 

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1048246/microsofts-lawsuit-payouts-amount-to-around--9-billion

They've paid out a LOT more since then and more are piling up.  They just can't stop being tyrants.

Here is a search on X360 class action lawsuits.

Here is a search on PS3 class action lawsuits. The funny thing is that it gives you MS/X360 class action lawsuits.

 

That's an article from 2005 about all lawsuits accross the board in the entire history of Microsoft as a company.  Funny though that even through all those lawsuits they are profitable while Sony is not.

They've not paid any lawsuits in regards to the 360.

Here is a search on PS3 and Sony losses.

Here is a search on Xbox 360 and MS losses.  The funny thing is that it gives you PS3/Sony losses as well.

Those X360 class action lawsuits are future money gone.  Why are you acting like close to $20 billion in losses is WAY less than Sony's few billion in losses?  It just doesn't make sense!

 

Uhhh... because Sony's 3 billion loss was one year.  This supposed 20 billion loss now and future for MS was over the entire history of the company over the decades and they still were profitable.  The 360 lawsuits will never see fruition.

MS may lose money to these things, but their company is STILL PROFITABLE as a whole!  Sony, on the other hand, is NOT PROFITABLE as a whole company.

How can you not see this?!  You are making no sense!!!!

 

Also, MS is moving to a 65nm combined CPU/GPU chip, not a 45nm process just yet.

 

And to finish you off, you link me to a forum post of a member that you claim has done accounting and "knows how much the blu-ray drives cost" yet the forum post has no evidence at all.  He merely states it with no evidence and expects you to believe it.  He also says $35 so it would still be a $30 loss.  So, since that link didn't show me any evidence, I'm still waiting and will use iSupply's document results over a baseless comment any day.

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Nice source, dude....

Are you saying that MS just started in 1999?  Plus, it matters when the court cases are over and not when they were filed!  I know MS isn't going to 45nm yet.  That's why I posted the link.  NOW, can you post a link on this 65nm COMBINED on one chip is suppose to happen for the X360?  I bet you can't because that would be one HUGE chip due to the HUGE eDRAM that can't be shrunk much more.

Since I think I'll be waiting a LONG time for you to provide evidence of a 65nm COMBINED GPU/CPU chip, I can move on to your next little part here.

This picture posting in order to try to discredit someone that is a Sony insider is JUST LIKE a X360 fanboy.  You can't face the information provided, so you try to discredit the source.  He has already been PROVEN (the website has even acknowledged him as such) to be a Sony insider by other insiders.  You can't discredit that, so just try to absorb the correct information.

 

 

 If that is true then you need to provide links of it so we can also confirm validity, it´s not enough of you saying so or you saying someone else has acknowledged it.

Confirmation of MaxPower1987 being an insider.  Look at the beginning of the thread to see what Max they are talking about.

Here MaxPower1987 had his own Insider thread set up.

NOW, can we laugh Nightsurge out of here for his earlier fanboy attempts at discrediting this Sony insider?!

 

where is the proof there? There is absoutly no proof of what you are insinuating.

 



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saicho on 05 May 2009
badgenome said:

I think she is also a Sony insider.

 



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.