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Tyrannical said:
Sardauk said:
Tyrannical said:
akuma587 said:
Well, there is one thing we can all agree on, that the U.S. healthcare system needs a massive overhaul.

 

 I don't agree. I like the US healthcare system. It's the best in the world.

 

Fail...

 

 

 http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/hybrid.asp?typeCode=147

Funny how the world univeristy rankings for the top 50 life science and biomedicine colleges is dominated by US universities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Laureates_in_Physiology_or_Medicine

Nobel prizes in medicine too.

It's just a lie spread by Liberals that the US healthcare system isn't tops. It's so they can try and control it through socialized medicine.

Yes, because researching medicine and science in a University is exactly the same as practicing medicine in a hospital.  It doesn't matter how good the doctors and nurses are, if the system doesn't function optimally then they are limited in how effective they can be.  Furthermore a large portion of medical training is done after graduation which has nothing to with the quality of universities and everything to do with effective training in the workplace.

You may like the American medical system and THINK it is the best in the world and as much as i'd like to take your word for it i'm almost certain that most American doctors would not agree with you.  I know the ones that i have spoken to that have worked in the system absolutely wouldn't agree with you, and frankly they are just a little more credible than you on this topic.

 



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Tyrannical said:
Sardauk said:
Tyrannical said:
akuma587 said:
Well, there is one thing we can all agree on, that the U.S. healthcare system needs a massive overhaul.

 

 I don't agree. I like the US healthcare system. It's the best in the world.

 

Fail...

 

 

 http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/hybrid.asp?typeCode=147

Funny how the world univeristy rankings for the top 50 life science and biomedicine colleges is dominated by US universities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Laureates_in_Physiology_or_Medicine

Nobel prizes in medicine too.

It's just a lie spread by Liberals that the US healthcare system isn't tops. It's so they can try and control it through socialized medicine.

 

Thats pretty irrelivant. Discovering new medicine has nothing to do with the healthcare system.



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Thatmax said:
Tyrannical said:

 

 http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/hybrid.asp?typeCode=147

Funny how the world univeristy rankings for the top 50 life science and biomedicine colleges is dominated by US universities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Laureates_in_Physiology_or_Medicine

Nobel prizes in medicine too.

It's just a lie spread by Liberals that the US healthcare system isn't tops. It's so they can try and control it through socialized medicine.

 

Thats pretty irrelivant. Discovering new medicine has nothing to do with the healthcare system.

Now you're just being silly.

World class medical colleges produce world class doctors.

 



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
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Tyrannical said:
Thatmax said:
Tyrannical said:

 

 http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/hybrid.asp?typeCode=147

Funny how the world univeristy rankings for the top 50 life science and biomedicine colleges is dominated by US universities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Laureates_in_Physiology_or_Medicine

Nobel prizes in medicine too.

It's just a lie spread by Liberals that the US healthcare system isn't tops. It's so they can try and control it through socialized medicine.

 

Thats pretty irrelivant. Discovering new medicine has nothing to do with the healthcare system.

Now you're just being silly.

World class medical colleges produce world class doctors.

 

world class doctors ≠ world class health system.

 



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http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/89xx/doc8948/01-31-HealthTestimony.pdf

Figure 1 demonstrates that per-capita spending on healthcare has grown from $1,000 to over $6,000 (when adjusted for inflation and measured in 2005 dollars) from 1965 to 2005, and total healthcare spending has grown from $250 Billion to over $2 Trillion in the same timeframe (when adjusted for inflation and measured in 2005 dollars).

Figure 3 demonstrates that healthcare represented 5% of GDP in 1965 and represented 15% of GDP in 2005

U.S. health care system.3 Advances in medical science have made available to patients and physicians a wealth of new medical therapies, many unheard of in even the relatively recent past. Some medical advances permit the treatment of previously untreatable conditions, introducing new categories of spending. Others, relative to older modes of treatment, improve medical outcomes at added cost, expanding existing spending. Available empirical estimates suggest that approximately half of all long-term growth in health care spending has been associated with the expanded capabilities of medicine brought about by technologicaladvances.

 

Realistically, a national healthcare system does nothing to control the costs associated with the largest factor to the cost explosion in healthcare. Now, there are two areas of massive expense that account for more than 90% of all healthcare costs (regardless of who delivers the service); bureaucracy and preventable illnesses. If people focused as much effort in arguing how to eliminate bureaucracy and preventable illnesses as they do in arguing who should pay for healthcare we would probably be able to reduce the cost of healthcare to a level where it doesn’t matter who pays for it.

 



Personally, I don't even understand how someone can get sick and walk out of a hospital down there with 100k in hospital bills and be expected to pay that.

I guess I just take universal health care for granted, because the alternative seems crazy.



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HappySqurriel said:

Realistically, a national healthcare system does nothing to control the costs associated with the largest factor to the cost explosion in healthcare. Now, there are two areas of massive expense that account for more than 90% of all healthcare costs (regardless of who delivers the service); bureaucracy and preventable illnesses. If people focused as much effort in arguing how to eliminate bureaucracy and preventable illnesses as they do in arguing who should pay for healthcare we would probably be able to reduce the cost of healthcare to a level where it doesn’t matter who pays for it.

 

 

This, is going on my sig.



Or, if you prefer, let's look at it like this:

-Every G8 Nation except the United States provides universal health care(to slightly varying degrees, so don't nitpick)
-The last time the WHO ranked the quality of health care in the countries of the world(in 2000), every one of the G8 except Russia was listed ahead of the United States.

To me, that says that Universal Health care is a good thing.



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^Or the methodology of the study was flawed.
Or that the USA can't feasibly do what smaller nations can.
Or what HappySquirrel said.