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Forums - Sony - FF13 NA Demo = NO, due Xbox version, releasing in Europe before winter 2010

GooseGaws on 05 May 2009
forevercloud3000 said:
GooseGaws said:
forevercloud3000 said:
@Goose
If they had just released the Demo alongside the FFVII AC Complete BD movie like they did in Japan, it could be fairly easy to slip in a few bucks as payment for the Demo.

THis particular matter is no longer up for debate though. We got the truth from the horse's mouth, it wasn't put on PS3 NOW because it wouldn't be fair to the 360 :P

He actually said that was "partly" why they weren't doing the demo at this time.  There are other factors involved, no doubt.  Again, what value is it for them to spend time working on a demo for a game so far from release when they're not likely to be able to charge for it?  Why not wait and do it later (if at all), when it's more relevant and there may be another software title to pair it with (as with DQVIII)?

I just told you, FFVII ACC was their ticket to charge for it. You do know that the demo was not sold seperately at all, but with that movie, right? I am positive some of the cost of the movie came from the demo. The same could be done with the american release(which isnt far off). Kitase just said it, in the OP, that they have already started the text and voice translations. The Demo is not even that long, And I am positive it is towards the beginning of the game. Shouldn't that part of the translation be done already?

And in other threads many tryed to argue that it was an  impossibility for the 360 release to be what stunted the Demo's release in america, now the story has changed to "its only one of many reasons". Not saying you were one of the people saying that, just putting it out there. I dont believe there was much else besides the 360(as said in the above paragraph).

I understand that ACC was their ticket to charge for it.  What I'm suggesting is that it would be foolish to do so in North America.  They actually want to sell the movie itself, remember?  ACC is available for pre-order at amazon.com for $22.99.  The Japanese special edition costs 5900 yen.  See the difference?

It's better for them to wait and do a demo later, closer to the game actually releasing.  Maybe in the mean time they can figure out a better delivery method, as mentioned previously.



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Rei on 05 May 2009

Dont care for this stupid "MS payed them!!!11" debate.

But it's interesting that they have supposedly already started english localisation. Still, it seems like EU version wont release alongside NA, and overall the game will take as long to come to the West as did XII.

Although if it's 2010 then it's fine I guess.



Kantor on 05 May 2009

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Onyxmeth on 05 May 2009
Jo21 said:
Onyxmeth said:
Jo21 said:
Onyxmeth said:

Right. FF is third party. Sony doesn't have control over them. Neither does MS. You blaming an uninvolved party like Microsoft is a bit rediculous. I can easily throw blame in a thousand directions, but when it comes down to it, it comes down to being Square's problem, and Square's fault. If Square had started 360 development earlier, they would have had a build to make the demo from wouldn't they? If they had started to localize the game earlier, they'ed have the translation done for the demo already wouldn't they? Ultimately, it was Square's decision to release or not release the demo. They chose not to. Whatever their reasonings are don't really matter. The bottom line is they could have released it, and they chose not to.

Are you the type of person that regularly blames other people for problems they aren't responsible for? If I have a school assignment to do and I procrastinate all week, under the assumption I'll do it last minute, and then someone I know gets hospitalized causing me to not get my work done on time, who's fault is that? Is it the hospitalized person or is it me the procrastinator? There were many instances where Square could have taken a different course of action. However it was their action to take, not Microsoft's. When you show me the gun held to Wada's head, I'll concede and say it was all Microsoft's fault.

 

sadly i can't proof that, yet, but this time around kitasate said themself it not being unfair to 360 owners. true square choice, but thing that would have never happen if 360 version didn't exist, like it should.

 

How do you do it? You admit it being Square's choice and then go back to blaming Microsoft. How can it be Microsoft's fault if Square has a choice? I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall here.

 

because 360 version its holding it up, square didn't had to make that choice if the port didnt' exist, which likely comes with NDA Deal with microsoft.

reason why it can't be released in NA before in the ps3 even if the ps3 version it's finish first.

and trust me i would be blaming sony if they were the ones holding up the american release.

 

Sony are the ones holding up the American release. You see, Sony's decisions to release a very expensive console that went on to underperform against the PS2 made Wada stand up and notice. He interviewed many times in 2006 and 2007 about his general disappointment and calling out to Sony to fix it. You see if Sony had made better decisions and made a console as popular as the PS2, then Square would have never had to make FF XIII multiplatform in the first place.

So you see, as we go further back we can just change blame from Microsoft to Sony. If we go further back than that, I'm sure we can find a new scapegoat to take the blame. So instead of letting Square take responsibility, let's just let them off the hook and blame everybody else. Square are just the victims in all of this after all.

 



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Falcon095 on 05 May 2009
Jo21 said:
Onyxmeth said:
Jo21 said:
Onyxmeth said:

Right. FF is third party. Sony doesn't have control over them. Neither does MS. You blaming an uninvolved party like Microsoft is a bit rediculous. I can easily throw blame in a thousand directions, but when it comes down to it, it comes down to being Square's problem, and Square's fault. If Square had started 360 development earlier, they would have had a build to make the demo from wouldn't they? If they had started to localize the game earlier, they'ed have the translation done for the demo already wouldn't they? Ultimately, it was Square's decision to release or not release the demo. They chose not to. Whatever their reasonings are don't really matter. The bottom line is they could have released it, and they chose not to.

Are you the type of person that regularly blames other people for problems they aren't responsible for? If I have a school assignment to do and I procrastinate all week, under the assumption I'll do it last minute, and then someone I know gets hospitalized causing me to not get my work done on time, who's fault is that? Is it the hospitalized person or is it me the procrastinator? There were many instances where Square could have taken a different course of action. However it was their action to take, not Microsoft's. When you show me the gun held to Wada's head, I'll concede and say it was all Microsoft's fault.

 

sadly i can't proof that, yet, but this time around kitasate said themself it not being unfair to 360 owners. true square choice, but thing that would have never happen if 360 version didn't exist, like it should.

 

How do you do it? You admit it being Square's choice and then go back to blaming Microsoft. How can it be Microsoft's fault if Square has a choice? I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall here.

 

because 360 version its holding it up, square didn't had to make that choice if the port didnt' exist, which likely comes with NDA Deal with microsoft.

reason why it can't be released in NA before in the ps3 even if the ps3 version it's finish first.

and trust me i would be blaming sony if they were the ones holding up the american release.

just happens its microsoft known for their shoddy practices.

 

 

Why don't you blame Sony then, they are the ones that decided to make a expensive and difficult to develop console, and they didn't offer anything to stop FFXIII becoming multiplatform, remember what Sony did with FFVII? They offered Square  a better deal, this time the tables are turn and MS is the one that offered better a deal. If you are gonna "blame" and "hate" like that you better stop being in love with Sony.



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Tbone on 05 May 2009

So we should expect the game in Europe fall 2010 jippi .



 

Jo21 on 05 May 2009
Falcon095 said:
Jo21 said:
Onyxmeth said:
Jo21 said:
Onyxmeth said:

Right. FF is third party. Sony doesn't have control over them. Neither does MS. You blaming an uninvolved party like Microsoft is a bit rediculous. I can easily throw blame in a thousand directions, but when it comes down to it, it comes down to being Square's problem, and Square's fault. If Square had started 360 development earlier, they would have had a build to make the demo from wouldn't they? If they had started to localize the game earlier, they'ed have the translation done for the demo already wouldn't they? Ultimately, it was Square's decision to release or not release the demo. They chose not to. Whatever their reasonings are don't really matter. The bottom line is they could have released it, and they chose not to.

Are you the type of person that regularly blames other people for problems they aren't responsible for? If I have a school assignment to do and I procrastinate all week, under the assumption I'll do it last minute, and then someone I know gets hospitalized causing me to not get my work done on time, who's fault is that? Is it the hospitalized person or is it me the procrastinator? There were many instances where Square could have taken a different course of action. However it was their action to take, not Microsoft's. When you show me the gun held to Wada's head, I'll concede and say it was all Microsoft's fault.

 

sadly i can't proof that, yet, but this time around kitasate said themself it not being unfair to 360 owners. true square choice, but thing that would have never happen if 360 version didn't exist, like it should.

 

How do you do it? You admit it being Square's choice and then go back to blaming Microsoft. How can it be Microsoft's fault if Square has a choice? I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall here.

 

because 360 version its holding it up, square didn't had to make that choice if the port didnt' exist, which likely comes with NDA Deal with microsoft.

reason why it can't be released in NA before in the ps3 even if the ps3 version it's finish first.

and trust me i would be blaming sony if they were the ones holding up the american release.

just happens its microsoft known for their shoddy practices.

 

 

Why don't you blame Sony then, they are the ones that decided to make a expensive and difficult to develop console, and they didn't offer anything to stop FFXIII becoming multiplatform, remember what Sony did with FFVII? They offered Square  a better deal, this time the tables are turn and MS is the one that offered better a deal. If you are gonna "blame" and "hate" like that you better stop being in love with Sony.

because the development already started on the ps3, and that was square desicion, if the 360 was the lead platform i would have blame sony for a delay too.

both HD consoles are hard to program for, and their engine it's multiplatform and good with multi threading,  if the delay was due hard to program enviroment then i would blame sony, then it's because trying to be fair with 360 owners for a port that it's just starting.



yo_john117 on 05 May 2009

Logic is failing so freakin hard in this thread ^^



Ajax on 05 May 2009

A friend of mine has ordered the Japanese demo,
two weeks ago, so it can arrive any moment now!!



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Pristine20 on 05 May 2009

It's just a demo. I've already watched the whole thing. I won't pay for a demo anyway so it won't have mattered if it came stateside



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