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Onyxmeth said:
Jo21 said:
GooseGaws said:
Jo21 said:
twesterm said:
BMaker11 said:
twesterm said:
Why are people blaming Microsoft?

They don't plan on releasing a demo for the West because of poor planning, not because of Microsoft.

If M$ wasn't in the picture, a demo would be in the West, because they wouldn't have to worry about "partly because we are going to carry on with the project alongside the Xbox version, so we really can't just make it available only for the PS3."

That's just as stupid as saying if I got in a wreck at a stoplight because it turned yellow and I slowed down but the person behind me sped up it's the stop lights fault.

There is not a demo in the West because they either just didn't allot for the time or something more important came up.

they have it for the ps3, they can release it now if they want, but they won't because it will be unfair for 360 owners...

Because there's no localization necessary for a Japanese-language demo?

But seriously, demos are supposed to be free.  I'm sure they're not releasing it because they can't sucker as many people into paying ridiculous amounts for a demo as they can in Japan.

Remember when the FFXII demo was a free bonus with DQVIII?  A free bonus?

Although, Konami did charge $50 for the MGS2 demo, only including a bonus copy of Zone of the Enders to soften the blow.

the voice recordings are already going in. for 2 hours demo they could have get it done, even so tranlated menus would have been enough it's a demo, japanese ps3 demo let you choose the japanese voice act with english subs as namco bandai naruto ninja storm.

and if they didn't had time was to make a 360 version , they JUST started making the port, if a 360 version existed they would have it released like the said they would.

so if no 360 port existed they would have been able to bundle the demo since no other console to be "unfair" to.

sony have nothing to do with the development of it,  u can blame sony for their first party delays but FF is third party.

 

Right. FF is third party. Sony doesn't have control over them. Neither does MS. You blaming an uninvolved party like Microsoft is a bit rediculous. I can easily throw blame in a thousand directions, but when it comes down to it, it comes down to being Square's problem, and Square's fault. If Square had started 360 development earlier, they would have had a build to make the demo from wouldn't they? If they had started to localize the game earlier, they'ed have the translation done for the demo already wouldn't they? Ultimately, it was Square's decision to release or not release the demo. They chose not to. Whatever their reasonings are don't really matter. The bottom line is they could have released it, and they chose not to.

Are you the type of person that regularly blames other people for problems they aren't responsible for? If I have a school assignment to do and I procrastinate all week, under the assumption I'll do it last minute, and then someone I know gets hospitalized causing me to not get my work done on time, who's fault is that? Is it the hospitalized person or is it me the procrastinator? There were many instances where Square could have taken a different course of action. However it was their action to take, not Microsoft's. When you show me the gun held to Wada's head, I'll concede and say it was all Microsoft's fault.

 

sadly i can't proof that, yet, but this time around kitasate said themself it not being unfair to 360 owners. true square choice, but thing that would have never happen if 360 version didn't exist, like it should.

 



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XBLA games don't have demos until the game is actually released (before HD Remix is even mentioned, it was a Beta they used to test their horrible net-code that doesn't need testing now because they know it sucks). Most likely they just had something ready, couldn't really release it on XBLA and somebody at Sony may have politely asked and they just decided to release it. A MVC2 is still coming out for XBLA, it's just coming out when the game is released sometime this summer.



Falcon095 said:
BMaker11 said:
Falcon095 said:
Not a big surprise, the demo was released in Japan because is exclusive there but releasing it in NA or EU without the 360 version would be giving a preference to the PS3.

Marvel vs Capcom 2

 

We are talking about SE, not Capcom.

But if you think about it, that does NOT make sense, SO4 being exclusive and The Last Remnant being timed exclusive to the X360 makes sense because MS probably paid for those (between many other PS3 fans rants), but why make the demo of Marvel vs Capcom 2 exclusive of the PS3? Unless Sony paid for it (which i doubt), i don't see what Capcom wins with this.

Nobody wins with that demo. It's local multiplayer match only. You can't even play a quick match against the computer. They give you the options to click on online multiplayer only for it to show you a screen to cocktease you. They couldn't even bother to shade it out so you couldn't select it. There'll be a real demo come release day.

 



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Jo21 said:
Onyxmeth said:
Jo21 said:
GooseGaws said:
Jo21 said:
twesterm said:
BMaker11 said:
twesterm said:
Why are people blaming Microsoft?

They don't plan on releasing a demo for the West because of poor planning, not because of Microsoft.

If M$ wasn't in the picture, a demo would be in the West, because they wouldn't have to worry about "partly because we are going to carry on with the project alongside the Xbox version, so we really can't just make it available only for the PS3."

That's just as stupid as saying if I got in a wreck at a stoplight because it turned yellow and I slowed down but the person behind me sped up it's the stop lights fault.

There is not a demo in the West because they either just didn't allot for the time or something more important came up.

they have it for the ps3, they can release it now if they want, but they won't because it will be unfair for 360 owners...

Because there's no localization necessary for a Japanese-language demo?

But seriously, demos are supposed to be free.  I'm sure they're not releasing it because they can't sucker as many people into paying ridiculous amounts for a demo as they can in Japan.

Remember when the FFXII demo was a free bonus with DQVIII?  A free bonus?

Although, Konami did charge $50 for the MGS2 demo, only including a bonus copy of Zone of the Enders to soften the blow.

the voice recordings are already going in. for 2 hours demo they could have get it done, even so tranlated menus would have been enough it's a demo, japanese ps3 demo let you choose the japanese voice act with english subs as namco bandai naruto ninja storm.

and if they didn't had time was to make a 360 version , they JUST started making the port, if a 360 version existed they would have it released like the said they would.

so if no 360 port existed they would have been able to bundle the demo since no other console to be "unfair" to.

sony have nothing to do with the development of it,  u can blame sony for their first party delays but FF is third party.

 

Right. FF is third party. Sony doesn't have control over them. Neither does MS. You blaming an uninvolved party like Microsoft is a bit rediculous. I can easily throw blame in a thousand directions, but when it comes down to it, it comes down to being Square's problem, and Square's fault. If Square had started 360 development earlier, they would have had a build to make the demo from wouldn't they? If they had started to localize the game earlier, they'ed have the translation done for the demo already wouldn't they? Ultimately, it was Square's decision to release or not release the demo. They chose not to. Whatever their reasonings are don't really matter. The bottom line is they could have released it, and they chose not to.

Are you the type of person that regularly blames other people for problems they aren't responsible for? If I have a school assignment to do and I procrastinate all week, under the assumption I'll do it last minute, and then someone I know gets hospitalized causing me to not get my work done on time, who's fault is that? Is it the hospitalized person or is it me the procrastinator? There were many instances where Square could have taken a different course of action. However it was their action to take, not Microsoft's. When you show me the gun held to Wada's head, I'll concede and say it was all Microsoft's fault.

 

sadly i can't proof that, yet, but this time around kitasate said themself it not being unfair to 360 owners. true square choice, but thing that would have never happen if 360 version didn't exist, like it should.

 

 

So now it's what should and shouldn't be? Could you tell me how things should be?



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Falcon095 said:
Jo21 said:
Onyxmeth said:
Jo21 said:
GooseGaws said:
Jo21 said:
twesterm said:
BMaker11 said:
twesterm said:
Why are people blaming Microsoft?

They don't plan on releasing a demo for the West because of poor planning, not because of Microsoft.

If M$ wasn't in the picture, a demo would be in the West, because they wouldn't have to worry about "partly because we are going to carry on with the project alongside the Xbox version, so we really can't just make it available only for the PS3."

That's just as stupid as saying if I got in a wreck at a stoplight because it turned yellow and I slowed down but the person behind me sped up it's the stop lights fault.

There is not a demo in the West because they either just didn't allot for the time or something more important came up.

they have it for the ps3, they can release it now if they want, but they won't because it will be unfair for 360 owners...

Because there's no localization necessary for a Japanese-language demo?

But seriously, demos are supposed to be free.  I'm sure they're not releasing it because they can't sucker as many people into paying ridiculous amounts for a demo as they can in Japan.

Remember when the FFXII demo was a free bonus with DQVIII?  A free bonus?

Although, Konami did charge $50 for the MGS2 demo, only including a bonus copy of Zone of the Enders to soften the blow.

the voice recordings are already going in. for 2 hours demo they could have get it done, even so tranlated menus would have been enough it's a demo, japanese ps3 demo let you choose the japanese voice act with english subs as namco bandai naruto ninja storm.

and if they didn't had time was to make a 360 version , they JUST started making the port, if a 360 version existed they would have it released like the said they would.

so if no 360 port existed they would have been able to bundle the demo since no other console to be "unfair" to.

sony have nothing to do with the development of it,  u can blame sony for their first party delays but FF is third party.

 

Right. FF is third party. Sony doesn't have control over them. Neither does MS. You blaming an uninvolved party like Microsoft is a bit rediculous. I can easily throw blame in a thousand directions, but when it comes down to it, it comes down to being Square's problem, and Square's fault. If Square had started 360 development earlier, they would have had a build to make the demo from wouldn't they? If they had started to localize the game earlier, they'ed have the translation done for the demo already wouldn't they? Ultimately, it was Square's decision to release or not release the demo. They chose not to. Whatever their reasonings are don't really matter. The bottom line is they could have released it, and they chose not to.

Are you the type of person that regularly blames other people for problems they aren't responsible for? If I have a school assignment to do and I procrastinate all week, under the assumption I'll do it last minute, and then someone I know gets hospitalized causing me to not get my work done on time, who's fault is that? Is it the hospitalized person or is it me the procrastinator? There were many instances where Square could have taken a different course of action. However it was their action to take, not Microsoft's. When you show me the gun held to Wada's head, I'll concede and say it was all Microsoft's fault.

 

sadly i can't proof that, yet, but this time around kitasate said themself it not being unfair to 360 owners. true square choice, but thing that would have never happen if 360 version didn't exist, like it should.

 

 

So now it's what should and shouldn't be? Could you tell me how things should be?

demo bundled in june 6th!

 



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Onyxmeth said:
Falcon095 said:
BMaker11 said:
Falcon095 said:
Not a big surprise, the demo was released in Japan because is exclusive there but releasing it in NA or EU without the 360 version would be giving a preference to the PS3.

Marvel vs Capcom 2

 

We are talking about SE, not Capcom.

But if you think about it, that does NOT make sense, SO4 being exclusive and The Last Remnant being timed exclusive to the X360 makes sense because MS probably paid for those (between many other PS3 fans rants), but why make the demo of Marvel vs Capcom 2 exclusive of the PS3? Unless Sony paid for it (which i doubt), i don't see what Capcom wins with this.

Nobody wins with that demo. It's local multiplayer match only. You can't even play a quick match against the computer. They give you the options to click on online multiplayer only for it to show you a screen to cocktease you. They couldn't even bother to shade it out so you couldn't select it. There'll be a real demo come release day.

 

 

Wow, i didn't even know that. I'll just pretend that he didn't give it as example, unless he's so proud of it that he desn't mind.



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Jo21 said:
Falcon095 said:
Jo21 said:
Onyxmeth said:
Jo21 said:
GooseGaws said:
Jo21 said:
twesterm said:
BMaker11 said:
twesterm said:
Why are people blaming Microsoft?

They don't plan on releasing a demo for the West because of poor planning, not because of Microsoft.

If M$ wasn't in the picture, a demo would be in the West, because they wouldn't have to worry about "partly because we are going to carry on with the project alongside the Xbox version, so we really can't just make it available only for the PS3."

That's just as stupid as saying if I got in a wreck at a stoplight because it turned yellow and I slowed down but the person behind me sped up it's the stop lights fault.

There is not a demo in the West because they either just didn't allot for the time or something more important came up.

they have it for the ps3, they can release it now if they want, but they won't because it will be unfair for 360 owners...

Because there's no localization necessary for a Japanese-language demo?

But seriously, demos are supposed to be free.  I'm sure they're not releasing it because they can't sucker as many people into paying ridiculous amounts for a demo as they can in Japan.

Remember when the FFXII demo was a free bonus with DQVIII?  A free bonus?

Although, Konami did charge $50 for the MGS2 demo, only including a bonus copy of Zone of the Enders to soften the blow.

the voice recordings are already going in. for 2 hours demo they could have get it done, even so tranlated menus would have been enough it's a demo, japanese ps3 demo let you choose the japanese voice act with english subs as namco bandai naruto ninja storm.

and if they didn't had time was to make a 360 version , they JUST started making the port, if a 360 version existed they would have it released like the said they would.

so if no 360 port existed they would have been able to bundle the demo since no other console to be "unfair" to.

sony have nothing to do with the development of it,  u can blame sony for their first party delays but FF is third party.

 

Right. FF is third party. Sony doesn't have control over them. Neither does MS. You blaming an uninvolved party like Microsoft is a bit rediculous. I can easily throw blame in a thousand directions, but when it comes down to it, it comes down to being Square's problem, and Square's fault. If Square had started 360 development earlier, they would have had a build to make the demo from wouldn't they? If they had started to localize the game earlier, they'ed have the translation done for the demo already wouldn't they? Ultimately, it was Square's decision to release or not release the demo. They chose not to. Whatever their reasonings are don't really matter. The bottom line is they could have released it, and they chose not to.

Are you the type of person that regularly blames other people for problems they aren't responsible for? If I have a school assignment to do and I procrastinate all week, under the assumption I'll do it last minute, and then someone I know gets hospitalized causing me to not get my work done on time, who's fault is that? Is it the hospitalized person or is it me the procrastinator? There were many instances where Square could have taken a different course of action. However it was their action to take, not Microsoft's. When you show me the gun held to Wada's head, I'll concede and say it was all Microsoft's fault.

 

sadly i can't proof that, yet, but this time around kitasate said themself it not being unfair to 360 owners. true square choice, but thing that would have never happen if 360 version didn't exist, like it should.

 

 

So now it's what should and shouldn't be? Could you tell me how things should be?

demo bundled in june 6th!

 

 

Why? They promised that there would be an American demo in that day?



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Jo21 said:
Onyxmeth said:

Right. FF is third party. Sony doesn't have control over them. Neither does MS. You blaming an uninvolved party like Microsoft is a bit rediculous. I can easily throw blame in a thousand directions, but when it comes down to it, it comes down to being Square's problem, and Square's fault. If Square had started 360 development earlier, they would have had a build to make the demo from wouldn't they? If they had started to localize the game earlier, they'ed have the translation done for the demo already wouldn't they? Ultimately, it was Square's decision to release or not release the demo. They chose not to. Whatever their reasonings are don't really matter. The bottom line is they could have released it, and they chose not to.

Are you the type of person that regularly blames other people for problems they aren't responsible for? If I have a school assignment to do and I procrastinate all week, under the assumption I'll do it last minute, and then someone I know gets hospitalized causing me to not get my work done on time, who's fault is that? Is it the hospitalized person or is it me the procrastinator? There were many instances where Square could have taken a different course of action. However it was their action to take, not Microsoft's. When you show me the gun held to Wada's head, I'll concede and say it was all Microsoft's fault.

 

sadly i can't proof that, yet, but this time around kitasate said themself it not being unfair to 360 owners. true square choice, but thing that would have never happen if 360 version didn't exist, like it should.

 

How do you do it? You admit it being Square's choice and then go back to blaming Microsoft. How can it be Microsoft's fault if Square has a choice? I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall here.

 



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GooseGaws said:
forevercloud3000 said:
@Goose
If they had just released the Demo alongside the FFVII AC Complete BD movie like they did in Japan, it could be fairly easy to slip in a few bucks as payment for the Demo.

THis particular matter is no longer up for debate though. We got the truth from the horse's mouth, it wasn't put on PS3 NOW because it wouldn't be fair to the 360 :P

He actually said that was "partly" why they weren't doing the demo at this time.  There are other factors involved, no doubt.  Again, what value is it for them to spend time working on a demo for a game so far from release when they're not likely to be able to charge for it?  Why not wait and do it later (if at all), when it's more relevant and there may be another software title to pair it with (as with DQVIII)?

I just told you, FFVII ACC was their ticket to charge for it. You do know that the demo was not sold seperately at all, but with that movie, right? I am positive some of the cost of the movie came from the demo. The same could be done with the american release(which isnt far off). Kitase just said it, in the OP, that they have already started the text and voice translations. The Demo is not even that long, And I am positive it is towards the beginning of the game. Shouldn't that part of the translation be done already?

And in other threads many tryed to argue that it was an  impossibility for the 360 release to be what stunted the Demo's release in america, now the story has changed to "its only one of many reasons". Not saying you were one of the people saying that, just putting it out there. I dont believe there was much else besides the 360(as said in the above paragraph).

 



      

      

      

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Onyxmeth said:
Jo21 said:
Onyxmeth said:

Right. FF is third party. Sony doesn't have control over them. Neither does MS. You blaming an uninvolved party like Microsoft is a bit rediculous. I can easily throw blame in a thousand directions, but when it comes down to it, it comes down to being Square's problem, and Square's fault. If Square had started 360 development earlier, they would have had a build to make the demo from wouldn't they? If they had started to localize the game earlier, they'ed have the translation done for the demo already wouldn't they? Ultimately, it was Square's decision to release or not release the demo. They chose not to. Whatever their reasonings are don't really matter. The bottom line is they could have released it, and they chose not to.

Are you the type of person that regularly blames other people for problems they aren't responsible for? If I have a school assignment to do and I procrastinate all week, under the assumption I'll do it last minute, and then someone I know gets hospitalized causing me to not get my work done on time, who's fault is that? Is it the hospitalized person or is it me the procrastinator? There were many instances where Square could have taken a different course of action. However it was their action to take, not Microsoft's. When you show me the gun held to Wada's head, I'll concede and say it was all Microsoft's fault.

 

sadly i can't proof that, yet, but this time around kitasate said themself it not being unfair to 360 owners. true square choice, but thing that would have never happen if 360 version didn't exist, like it should.

 

How do you do it? You admit it being Square's choice and then go back to blaming Microsoft. How can it be Microsoft's fault if Square has a choice? I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall here.

 

because 360 version its holding it up, square didn't had to make that choice if the port didnt' exist, which likely comes with NDA Deal with microsoft.

reason why it can't be released in NA before in the ps3 even if the ps3 version it's finish first.

and trust me i would be blaming sony if they were the ones holding up the american release.

just happens its microsoft known for their shoddy practices.