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theprof00 said:
theprof00 said:

you're surprised that 1 in 5.7 people bought SSBB? Shoot GTA4 has a sellthrough of about 1 in 4.8

gta4 - 12.59
COD4- 11.57
CODWAW - 8.64
assassins creed - 7.85
elder scrolls - 3.59
fallout 3 - 3.72
marvel:ultimate alliance - 2.72
RE5 - 2.76 3.76

I would continue but I think my point is proven.

53.4 54.4 on only 8 games

On top of that: the360 top 10 is 56, even.

I love when I post something and it gets ignored. Maybe you didn't get the point, I'll re-iterate:

First, the 360 top 10 is actually 56m not 55.61 like you wrote in the OP. So, it does in fact win this "competition" according to the guidelines you have set.

Secondly, Nintendo has a bigger userbase.
This second point has two very important sub-points:

a) If you add the 360 and PS3 together to get a similar install base, you can see that the 3rd party (multiplats) trounce this wii list

b) If you take the top 10 1st party IP's
Halo3,GeoW,GeoW2, Forza,Fable2, MGS4, REsistance, Motorstorm, GT5P, Uncharted you get about 43Million. This is significantly below the wii 1st party. However, it is also in conjunction with the 3rd party games ie there is a lot of competition. The top ten cross platform are:

gta4 - 12.59
COD4- 11.57
Halo 3 - 9.57
CODWAW - 8.64
assassins creed - 7.85
GH3 - 6.11
GeoW - 5.88
GeoW2 - 5.41
Forza - 3.98
MGS4 - 3.92

= 75.52

top 15 wii games (not including "Wii _____" games):
MKWii, SSBB, SMG, Mario&Sonic, MarioParty, Zelda, GH3, LinksCrossbow, CarnivalGames, BrainTraining, AnimalCrossing, GHWorldTour, SuperPaperMario, LegoStarWars

=76.19

average price difference over the years. ~350 for an HD system ~250 for wii. Now, if you think about it, that extra hundred dollars could have bought 2 extra games per person, so ~100million more sales in games.

 

 

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I don't see any numbers for that, is that wiiware or VC?



theprof00 said:
theprof00 said:

you're surprised that 1 in 5.7 people bought SSBB? Shoot GTA4 has a sellthrough of about 1 in 4.8

gta4 - 12.59
COD4- 11.57
CODWAW - 8.64
assassins creed - 7.85
elder scrolls - 3.59
fallout 3 - 3.72
marvel:ultimate alliance - 2.72
RE5 - 2.76 3.76

I would continue but I think my point is proven.

53.4 54.4 on only 8 games

On top of that: the360 top 10 is 56, even.

I love when I post something and it gets ignored. Maybe you didn't get the point, I'll re-iterate:

First, the 360 top 10 is actually 56m not 55.61 like you wrote in the OP. So, it does in fact win this "competition" according to the guidelines you have set.

Secondly, Nintendo has a bigger userbase.
This second point has two very important sub-points:

a) If you add the 360 and PS3 together to get a similar install base, you can see that the 3rd party (multiplats) trounce this wii list

b) If you take the top 10 1st party IP's
Halo3,GeoW,GeoW2, Forza,Fable2, MGS4, REsistance, Motorstorm, GT5P, Uncharted you get about 43Million. This is significantly below the wii 1st party. However, it is also in conjunction with the 3rd party games ie there is a lot of competition. The top ten cross platform are:

gta4 - 12.59
COD4- 11.57
Halo 3 - 9.57
CODWAW - 8.64
assassins creed - 7.85
GH3 - 6.11
GeoW - 5.88
GeoW2 - 5.41
Forza - 3.98
MGS4 - 3.92

= 75.52

top 15 wii games (not including "Wii _____" games):
MKWii, SSBB, SMG, Mario&Sonic, MarioParty, Zelda, GH3, LinksCrossbow, CarnivalGames, BrainTraining, AnimalCrossing, GHWorldTour, SuperPaperMario, LegoStarWars

=76.19

average price difference over the years. ~350 for an HD system ~250 for wii. Now, if you think about it, that extra hundred dollars could have bought 2 extra games per person, so ~100million more sales in games.

 

I do not see anything posted herein that disproves the OP. The most relevant point is the accuracy of the numbers.  And since those are always subject to change, they may have been accurate when the OP was made.

The points herein could make for a separate discussion thread. That being said though, you would probably be accused of "moving goal posts" as well as leaving out certain games. If you are going to compare multiplatform games, it seems only fair to include the Wii series of games.

Finally, software vendors profits depend on total sales, not market share. So the base argument actually could work both ways. (More people, less of a percentage needed for the same level of sales).

 

Mike from Morgantown

 



      


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@mike
I usually credit you for your neutrality, but the OP himself was the one who set goal posts in the first place. (Only 1st party titles, only the top 10)

Not only that, but are you really going to try and say that Nintendo got outsold in games in the 3 days since he made the OP? That did not happen, his math was wrong.

The "Wii ______" games are bundled. And they are the only two bundled, but they are pretty much bundled with every controller or system. That results in a huge disproportionate number. Sure PS3 and XBOX have had bundles too, but only a few hundred thousand-~1million at most.

I'm not sure how your final point has any relevance to either point, maybe it is unclear?

EDIT: the numbers did adjust since he posted, and sure enough it was outsold in the games department, interesting to say the least.

EDIT2: also, my point was also to contest his goal posts. If you are going to compare nintendo core, you should compare the HD console's core.



@pyrobill

I ask you again.
Where are these numbers for a wii game that doesn't appear to even exist?



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Voltaire said:
Why are people constantly bringing up the 'Install base is huge so 'X' game should have sold better'? The install base isnt as important as youd think. Remember Okami? Released when the PS2 had over 100 million units sold. The game has sold better on Wii.

 

That's not true according to Chris Svensson of Capcom. He specifically said that VGC data is wrong, and that PS2 > Wii version. Also, remember that VGC data is incomplete for a lot of ps2 games.

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It was a light hearted comment prof but it was my reason for buying Wii Play.

The reason for only the top 10 is laziness and it is interesting that it changed this week.

I know PS3/360 combined is more than Wii but that isn't what I said (anyway, 1yr head start ;) ).

The point of the thread was to show that the Wii is just as much a console for core gamers as 360/PS3 is and it may even be more.




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It's just interesting that wii owners on this site feel the need to prove that the wii can sell core games.

I think that is interesting because HD games sales seem to be the provocative measure, ie: HD consoles are selling more core games.
This seems to be the reality that wii owners are going to have to deal with.

It isn't necessarily a bad thing. It is just how the console is evolving. The only people that should be unhappy are those people that have an affinity for core games and are concerned about the future of those games.

To summate, I think it is interesting that there are some Wii owners who are concerned even though they tout the change to casual gaming.

Important note: The numbers are going to change in a big way in the future when big name games like GT, FF, Twisted Metal, Halo ODST, and others come out.

EDIT: about your light-hearted comment. Most people bought duck hunt as a way to get another controller.



ameratsu said:
Voltaire said:
Why are people constantly bringing up the 'Install base is huge so 'X' game should have sold better'? The install base isnt as important as youd think. Remember Okami? Released when the PS2 had over 100 million units sold. The game has sold better on Wii.

 

That's not true according to Chris Svensson of Capcom. He specifically said that VGC data is wrong, and that PS2 > Wii version. Also, remember that VGC data is incomplete for a lot of ps2 games.

http://www.nintendoeverything.com/?p=10513

I thought I saw someone from Capcom -- Sven or someone else -- later making a statement that seemed to contradict or provide additional information on Okami sales.  I do not recall the reference, but remember the linked quote above is from three months ago.

Plus, remember that Sven does not like the Wii or VGChartz. So you must take everything he says with a large dose of salt.

 

Mike from Morgantown

 

 

 



      


I am Mario.


I like to jump around, and would lead a fairly serene and aimless existence if it weren't for my friends always getting into trouble. I love to help out, even when it puts me at risk. I seem to make friends with people who just can't stay out of trouble.

Wii Friend Code: 1624 6601 1126 1492

NNID: Mike_INTV

Well VGC has Okami Wii at 220k and the Okami PS2 at 150k. Since the PS2 version has no north american data, it seems reasonable to conclude that the ps2 version sold better.



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