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deadt0m on 04 May 2009
Kos-mos said:
Kasz216 said:
griffinA said:
^^^^I think the difference is the tone. The pre-FFVII Final Fantasy games took themselves less seriously while telling a story. These days they play like a cliched series movie.

Maybe the younger generations just perfer cliched movies?  I mean... you could argue that entertainment in general has moved more down that route.

Totally agree with that!

Look at all so-called above 90% video-games; gow, gta iv, halo.

Exceptions: Metal Gear Solid 4.

 

LOL.  Metal Gear Solid is the only series with more and worse cutscenes than post-VI FF games.

 



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Darc Requiem on 04 May 2009
Kasz216 said:
Darc Requiem said:
badgenome said:

Oh, good. I'm perfectly normal, then.

But why do I still like the old Final Fantasies?

Couldn' t have said it better myself Badgenome.

 

Well that's the thing too... weren't the SNES protaganists... older?

I mean it seemed that way anyway.

 

Yeah for the most part. In FFIV the whole cast were adults except for three party members and one of those three becomes and adult before the game ends. FFV and FFVI followed similiar trends with it's protagonists as well.

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Kasz216 on 04 May 2009
Darc Requiem said:
Kasz216 said:
Darc Requiem said:
badgenome said:

Oh, good. I'm perfectly normal, then.

But why do I still like the old Final Fantasies?

Couldn' t have said it better myself Badgenome.

 

Well that's the thing too... weren't the SNES protaganists... older?

I mean it seemed that way anyway.

 

Yeah for the most part. In FFIV the whole cast were adults except for three party members and one of those three becomes and adult before the game ends. FFV and FFVI followed similiar trends with it's protagonists as well.

@Deatht0m

I have to send you a friend request after you post.

 

All in all it reminds me about that one quote about "Maturity".  Perhaps that's why the post 6 FFs have seemed so bad to most people who were playing 6.  They've just been targeted "downwards" from the important issues and philosophical questions... replaced with cliched twists and turns and high dramatics.

It's not that people have outgrown FF as a series.  It's just people outgrow the newer ones as they continue to target downwards.



deadt0m on 04 May 2009
Kasz216 said:
Darc Requiem said:
Kasz216 said:
Darc Requiem said:
badgenome said:

Oh, good. I'm perfectly normal, then.

But why do I still like the old Final Fantasies?

Couldn' t have said it better myself Badgenome.

 

Well that's the thing too... weren't the SNES protaganists... older?

I mean it seemed that way anyway.

 

Yeah for the most part. In FFIV the whole cast were adults except for three party members and one of those three becomes and adult before the game ends. FFV and FFVI followed similiar trends with it's protagonists as well.

@Deatht0m

I have to send you a friend request after you post.

 

All in all it reminds me about that one quote about "Maturity".  Perhaps that's why the post 6 FFs have seemed so bad to most people who were playing 6.  They've just been targeted "downwards" from the important issues and philosophical questions... replaced with cliched twists and turns and high dramatics.

It's not that people have outgrown FF as a series.  It's just people outgrow the newer ones as they continue to target downwards.

Well said.



badgenome on 04 May 2009
Rei said:
badgenome said:

Oh, good. I'm perfectly normal, then.

But why do I still like the old Final Fantasies?

   Nostalgia. I still enjoy playing old Sonic games for the same reason, whilst there is no chance I'd touch a new one. However children do like them.

 

Simple nostalgia might explain it if I had fond memories of those games and wanted to replay them. But since I do replay the older FFs on a regular basis, and they still hold up well, I have to think that they're just better games. 



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Bullet100000 on 04 May 2009

OK but shouldn't the younger audience be getting into the Series if were growing out.



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The Ghost of RubangB on 04 May 2009
Rei said:
badgenome said:

Oh, good. I'm perfectly normal, then.

But why do I still like the old Final Fantasies?

   Nostalgia. I still enjoy playing old Sonic games for the same reason, whilst there is no chance I'd touch a new one. However children do like them.

So then why did we all enjoy the early Final Fantasy games and early Sonic games in the early 90's?

I thought they were good games then and are good games now.  I don't know how games "go bad."

 

Like Kasz pointed out, earlier FF games had older characters.  They also had more mature themes.  They've slowly turned away from the older nerdier RPG crowd to the teen anime crowd.  Just look at the hairdos.



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Kasz216 on 04 May 2009
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Rei said:
badgenome said:

Oh, good. I'm perfectly normal, then.

But why do I still like the old Final Fantasies?

   Nostalgia. I still enjoy playing old Sonic games for the same reason, whilst there is no chance I'd touch a new one. However children do like them.

So then why did we all enjoy the early Final Fantasy games and early Sonic games in the early 90's?

I thought they were good games then and are good games now.  I don't know how games "go bad."

 

Like Kasz pointed out, earlier FF games had older characters.  They also had more mature themes.  They've slowly turned away from the older nerdier RPG crowd to the teen anime crowd.  Just look at the hairdos.


Yeah... the concept art for the earlier Final Fantasys are wacky... but they're more 80's hairband wacky.

http://www.ffshrine.org/ff4/amanoart/ff4_5.jpg

http://www.ffshrine.org/ff4/ff4_amanoart.php

 

 



The Ghost of RubangB on 04 May 2009
Kasz216 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Rei said:
badgenome said:

Oh, good. I'm perfectly normal, then.

But why do I still like the old Final Fantasies?

   Nostalgia. I still enjoy playing old Sonic games for the same reason, whilst there is no chance I'd touch a new one. However children do like them.

So then why did we all enjoy the early Final Fantasy games and early Sonic games in the early 90's?

I thought they were good games then and are good games now.  I don't know how games "go bad."

Like Kasz pointed out, earlier FF games had older characters.  They also had more mature themes.  They've slowly turned away from the older nerdier RPG crowd to the teen anime crowd.  Just look at the hairdos.

Yeah... the concept art for the earlier Final Fantasys are wacky... but they're more 80's hairband wacky.

http://www.ffshrine.org/ff4/amanoart/ff4_5.jpg

http://www.ffshrine.org/ff4/ff4_amanoart.php

Hahaha, yeah those are classic.  Reminds me of Castlevania, how they went from an 80's dark and mysterious look to 90's anime.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 04 May 2009
deadt0m said:
Rei said:
badgenome said:

Oh, good. I'm perfectly normal, then.

But why do I still like the old Final Fantasies?

   Nostalgia. I still enjoy playing old Sonic games for the same reason, whilst there is no chance I'd touch a new one. However children do like them.

 

 

Certainly nostalgia is part of it, but I find it EXTREMELY difficult to believe that if someone handed me a copy of FFIV, and I had never played it before, that I would be anything short of blown away, even today.

Honestly, I think it has more to do with technology and the story arcs.  The pre-CD run of the games didn't have cutting edge technology as a crutch, and so to make successful games they had to be fun, immersive, whimsical, challenging and engaging.  Starting with VII though, they just removed whimsy from the series completely and replaced it with awful, overwrought emo cutscenes.  The original Final Fantasy games conveyed emotion through good writing and relatable characters, and then seven replaced good writing with too-long cutscenes of effeminate men crying about things.

Put simply, I think they used to make good video games, now they make playable interludes between horrible cutscenes.

 

 

So basically what you're saying is with the coming of more powerful hardware, SE became spoiled trying to give a visual show, rather than focusing on the storyboards and scripts.