Staude said: S.T.A.G.E. said: I fixed it. Couldn't be arsed making it look as fancy. But atleast now it tells the truth

 Whatever makes you feel better Staudude, as long as you know none of it is true. Nintendo creates...Sony and Microsoft follow. It's never been the other way around and you know it. You can talk about how Sony perfect, but you're just stalling the obvious. During the PSone generation...the playstation didn't even have rumble. The N64 rumble pack was an add-on. Do not compare the PS2 generation to the N64 generation.  Gaming company > Outside corporations. Sony only made one console mind you, but made two multimedia systems, much like the Xbox. Nintendo still to this day has solely made consoles. Microsoft actually perfected the analog, because they put the analogs in a comfortable position with the X, Y axis. This is one of the reasons the 360 is the best for shooters or any game that uses the analogs. Sony still has yet to grasp this concept. Regardless, Nintendo created it so credit still goes to Nintendo.

S.T.A.G.E. said: Staude said: S.T.A.G.E. said: I fixed it. Couldn't be arsed making it look as fancy. But atleast now it tells the truth      Whatever makes you feel better Staudude, as long as you know none of it is true. Nintendo creates...Sony and Microsoft follow. It's never been the other way around and you know it. You can talk about how Sony perfect, but you're just stalling the obvious. During the PSone generation...the playstation didn't even have rumble. The N64 rumble pack was an add-on. Do not compare the PS2 generation to the N64 generation.  Gaming company > Outside corporations. Sony only made one console mind you, but made two multimedia systems, much like the Xbox. Nintendo still to this day has solely made consoles. Microsoft actually perfected the analog, because they put the analogs in a comfortable position with the X, Y axis. This is one of the reasons the 360 is the best for shooters or any game that uses the analogs. Sony still has yet to grasp this concept. Regardless, Nintendo created it so credit still goes to Nintendo.

Man I wonder if this type of debate happen when the first person decided to make moccasins even better by adding strings making them into shoes...... It is nature to only to improve on others advancements.....  Imagine what would the world would be like if no one ever did that? 

Staude take a look at your PS3 controller.. Now take a look at your PS2 controller.. Now take a look at your PS1 controller.. Tell me what Sony has done to further gaming?

Nothing has changed but take a look at the NES controller.. Simple two handed controller with two face buttons and a D-Pad. Now that D-Pad was a Nintendo invention that I'm sure you'll find on all 3 of your Playstation controllers, always in the exact same position. The same position that it was found on the SNES. The SNES brought in two more features.. The diamond arrangement of face buttons and of course the shoulder buttons.. Now take a look at the Playstations controller, any one it doesn't really matter.. Oh look! Shoulder buttons! 4 face buttons in a diamond shape! Nice addition there Sony..

Here we go onto the 3D era of gaming! Look at Sony's original PS1 controller.. It was a SNES controller with 2 added shoulder buttons.. Take a look at the N64's controller.. It has a 3 pronged structure for both analog play and D-Pad play, oh yeah it had an analog stick for 3D movement due to games now being '3D' it kinda makes sense.. Nintendo also brought in two more innovations.. The first one is one that stays with Nintendo, that's the Z trigger. The second is one that shows Nintendo really had put thought into this new 3D concept.. They were the C buttons. They were used in many games to control the camera, a very important part of games to this day. Along with this Nintendo decide that the immersiveness of their games could go further and thus the rumble pack was born. Sony saw the analog stick and rumble pack and thought damn the PSX needs that! People say Sony bought the 'Dual Analog' to the mainstream and to be quite honest, it wasn't ever their intention.. They didn't think about how 3D titles would need two sticks or anything deep like Nintendo did, they just needed a symmetrical design.

Now take a look at your unchanged PS2 controller for a second.. Oh no it's black now.. that's cool.. Anyway.. The GameCube controller did a few things.. Number one, it changed up the old SNES diamond design for face buttons which were arguably much more natural and confortable. It also relegated the D-Pad to the bottom and had two sticks, one at the natural thumb position and the other out of the way for quick changes in the camera. It also added in analog or pressure sensitive shoulder buttons that were very comfortable and formed nicely to your fingers. The GameCube is in many ways the black sheep of the Nintendo family but never the less, it did still stand out in various ways.

Finally let's have a look at the PS3 controller.. Now it has.. NES D-Pad, SNES diamond button arrangement, SNES shoulder buttons, oh look and nice GameCube pressure sensitive ones too! (except they don't form nicely to your fingers at all), it has the same clunky symmetric analog sticks from the PS1 days, it has rumble which is a nice addition after being taken out for being.. Last gen tech didn't Sony say? Well anyway they have that.. It also has one final addition that wasn't in the previous iterations.. It has a accelerometer! So Sony have innovated! Hmmm...

In October 2005 Nintendo debuted the Wii Remote. The Wii Remote has an accelerometer built in for motion sensing just as the PS3's controller does. What's the difference? Once again Nintendo have actually thought about it's implementation just like the analog stick and the camera buttons. The Wii Remote is a one handed device which means the motion control, unlike Sony's is FREE MOTION, Not fixed tilting. Nintendo also unveiled their's first and despite Sony saying they had plans for it for a long time, they had not shown it or even hinted at it at all previously and we haven't seen a patent pertaining to it. Nintendo have gone further still though! their control scheme is not just one handed but split. It has two handed free motion control, the Nunchuck has the analog stick and the two shoulder buttons very much akin to the N64. The Wii Remote has an expansion port just as the N64 had.. It has rumble.. It has a B trigger.. It also has an IR pointer, a speaker, in built memory and here's the kicker! It can be tilted onto it's side to resemble the NES controller.

That right there is innovation.

So as you can see, the PSwhatever controller in your hand wouldn't be there without Nintendo and instead you'd be watching movies on your multimedia hub.


For everybody else, I'm sorry about the rant, I'm not dissing the PS3, it's a great system, but to dispute Nintendo's role in pushing the industry and say Sony are the ones driving it forward over Nintendo is ridiculous

This.

Well, I don't really care unless it has a really game launching with it.

Otherwise, I'd rather them not.

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if journalists put more of these out to try to scare Nintendo into another E3 2008's focusing on fighting off a threat that isn't there..

It won't work this time though, they will have their plans will have learnt from last year.

I choose !ugly greenmashcolour this time.

@puffy Unfortunately people like to spin things in their favor. I'm not saying i aint doing it too but look at all the junk thrown my way because i spun that little picture around the other way around. The only thing i did was remove the negative and make it positive. Because it is. Everything i wrote on the picture is positive.. And i didn't attack any other systems. Yet so many still feel the need to tell me they think i'm wrong because they can't stand the thought that Sony actually did those good things ? Many of the views are even the same ones, just written properly instead of as a troll.

by skimming your post i will say this : 3d. What's your point ? sony came out with the ps1 first so it doesn't matter if the n64 had anything special for 3d. The fact of the matter is that ps1 was there first with the 3d gaming and due to it's success they became mainstream so early. .. Not to mention the fact that sony were also the ones convincing developers to go into 3d gaming. And yes doom and so fourth did also help.. but the playstation 1 was a huge part of it too.

Regarding the controller. Thers no reason to change it because it is as it should be. This goes to  @ stage too. I hate using the 360 controller.. buttons feel weird, the analogue feels misplaced.. I much prefere the dualshock. So your opinion isn't fact because it is.. exacly that.. an opinion. Just like mine.

If you notice, every year sony brings new things into the controller to improve it. Sure they removed rumble for a little because of the whole lawsuit but the sixaxis is awesome in the games it's used properly in.

And the wii mote is gimped. That is a fact man. Otherwise they wouldn't bring out motion + They gimped it because they were afread to take a small hit on the controller. Nintendo would never go in the red for it's consumers because they are too arrogant.

The wii mote is seen as a spot. Not as a line so the wii will never know where in the room it is. Not only that.. the wii motes run on batteries which is terrible.. (my first system ever with controllers with batteries i have to replace) AND the motion sensor bar ? you have to be right in front of it to work .. Damn.. i can't even sit down in my couch n use the wii mote if the sensors anywhere near the tv. That's a terrible design choice. The range is just.. too limited man.

Finally.. I'll wrap up with saying. Did i ever claim nintendo didn't start the analogue ? did i ever claim they never did anything to drive the industry ? no. I didn't.. But that's no reason to dispute sonys drive of the same industry. Because they have brought just as much to it.. Sure a lot of it is in other areas.. but it's just as important.

OK now go back and read my post like I did for you. Skimming won't give you the information I'm trying to get across to you..

Also the Wii Remote isn't seen as a spot because it isn't seen at all, the Wii Remote has a camera in the end of it to see the two ends of the sensor bar, that's how it knows where it is, yeah exactly where it is in the room.. and i play my Wii laying on bed all the time so I don't know what the hell your on about with the sensor bar range.. Have you played a Wii?

Also Nintendo aren't 'too arrogant' to go in the red.. Gaming is their ONLY business, if they go in the red they pretty much die. You complain about batteries too.. I have recharables, they work fine.. I don't have to charge my controllers and wait to play a game, are PS3 batteries removable?

Also if you look at the American market the transistion from SNES to PS1 or even PS2 eras.. The percentage of households with a game console at the end of the generation has ALWAYS hovered around 33% so this whole 'PS1 made gaming mainstream stuff' really isn't true.. Also 3D was always coming.. you make it seem like Sony invented the idea.. I mean even the SNES had 3D with Starfox. Nobody 'made it mainstream' it was always going to be the natural progression. Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time were the 3D benchsetters of the time. Super Mario 64 showed better than any game on PS1 what 3D really meant. It was always gonna go mainstream though..

Anyway go back and read my post. It's more about the reasons behind the choices and the pushing of gaming. Sony have brought some good things yes and the PS3 is a solid piece of hardware but you cannot compare it to what Nintendo has done and will do in the future.

The Sony analog is retarded and wasn't planned out properly for hand eye coordination. You must remember when the PS2 controller was created FPS and X, Y axis games werent the main focus. Microsoft upped the job because they knew they would be dealing with FPS. Sony didn't perfect a thing.