Don't play those games. It's more a general thing about graphics whores and them thinking they can know everything about a game (cost, sales, company's intentions) by graphics.

And thanks for reading all the way, trestres. I almost didn't there as well. But it does show that graphics are the only thing you have to live with. You can still get the full sim gameplay and controls.

If you're not a Madden fan, than you can not even begin to comprehend the barest cusp of the edge of the massive steaming fecal indignity that this graphical makeover is to us

This is a football game, its supposed to be as realistic as possible. Whoever came up with the idea to make a madden game look like this should be taken behind the back, beaten, and then fired. What football fan wants a cartoony football game? Seriously? I really can't think of any. Seriously, are any non football fans going to buy this?

Edit: I hope this sells worse than the Wii NCAA game.

Please. I have looked at those games, and last I checked, it was the ability to play as any player in the NFL the year before that was a lot of the appeal, which as far as I can tell is still in the game.

Plus even before I commented, other fans have stated they don't mind as long as the play is intact.

It looks to me that the whining is more because they changed something that you're used to, not something related to the actual meat of the game. You're just acting like it is because you're, again, just used to it.

Trust me, I do have experience with that feeling, and I also have gotten over it. Just wait to see if the damn game is any good.

Why do you feel the need to slap me with your shitty psychoanalasys 101? It has nothing at all to do with "whining" because they changed something I am "used to". It's because EA is giving me a bullshit excuse for Madden. If Phoenix Wright started having the same art style as Hagar the Horrible, I would not "whine because it was different", I would be furious because they ruined a key aspect of the game. Or, say, if Mario adopted a hyperrealistic graphics style similar to Gears of War, replete with an absurdly broad-shouldered, beefily-muscled, grizzled Mario.

How a game looks is an essential part of it's aesthetic sum, particularly in games like Madden which are (well, were) designed not only to simulate football, but to allow many, many people to vicariously throw themselves into the NFL. It is more than just gameplay and button pressing, it is a deeply entrenching experience where you rearrange your depth chart arbitrarily not because one player has a higher average rating than another, but because you have seen that particular player do amazing things in real life.

To tweak, no, completely change such an integral aspect of Madden is not just "something I'll just get used to". It is a step that is obviously (to all but the most naive) one calculated on EA's part to lure in a younger/less serious fanbase (which I think is actually a faulty premise in the first place). I do not care two shits worth what this may or may not imply about EA's opinion of the Wii. What I do care about is the oozing, congealed glob of tobacco-stained spit that EA has just violently spat onto the collective face of all Madden fans who own Wii's. Offering this repugnant excuse for Madden to us Wii owners is a travesty.

To have someone like you come in and say you "have looked at the game and the main appeal is to play as any NFL player from the year before" and "you'll get used to this" is roughly akin to a blind hermit saying, moments after you just watched a pack of jackals disembowel your entire immediate family and slurp down their entrails, "don't worry, I bet it wasn't that hard to watch, I imagined it in my head and I didn't get disgusted, plus I've never had any problems without a family". This coupled with the condescending indignity of having to suffer you characterizing all us Madden fans as "graphics whores who think they know everything" about a game which you self admittedly DO NOT PLAY is SO INFURIATING that

That...that....

That I actually took the time to type all this

I've been gaming for decades, and I've seen art styles change all the time. It was just in recent years that graphics have been evolving slowly across series. The Wii may even reverse that trend. You'll just have to live with it in that case.

And I did NOT call all the Madden fans graphics whores. It seems you just interpreted my comment that way. Don't twist my damn words.

Heck, by noting this comment, "other fans have stated they don't mind as long as the play is intact," that proves I didn't call all of you that.

So what made you think I called all Madden fans graphics whores?

Dude what the fuck are you talking about? I never made any assumptions about the gameplay. I merely said the art style lends itself more towards an arcade style game(since it's inspired by NFL Blitz) than it does a simulation game(which is what Madden traditionally is). Quit putting words in my mouth.

What is this gonna be Lord, your new crusade? You going to defend Madden in all facets until it finally releases, because god forbid anybody on this planet actually has an opinion on a drastic artistic change a very popular series has taken? Get over it. Considering you seemingly have no personal interest in this game, I'm beginning to think this is you just looking for trouble again. Your thread title suggest as much.

1. I was replying to tarheel. Who were you replying to?

2. I'm not commenting on opinions about the art change. It's those that take it to mean things like the entire game is going to be bad, or that the gameplay is being ruined (when trestres nicely provided a link proving it won't be), or that EA hates the Wii (even though they are getting Motion+ out before even Nintendo will), or that this is going to kill the sales.

So no, it's not the opinions I'm calling on. It's the judgements and assumptions.

Realistic this, realistic that...baaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh.

I'v had it up to here with gamers throwing a tantrum that the graphics aren't photorealistic.You can't make agame like Spyborgs anymore because it looks like, and i quote: " saturday morning cartoon" despite the fact that it might be very good gameplay wise.

The ghostbusters are awful because of the art style but since when have most gamers currently aged 18-22 seen the franchise as such? ghostbusters was mainly known among kids thanks to the cartoon !

Heck, i wish SE would make FF14 celshaded or super deformed (better yet, why not both) so that just maybe the whole damn whining will stop. And then we'll be able to play the hypocrite card. AGAIN.

/rant

Hey, the remakes of III and IV are close.