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vlad321 on 28 April 2009
Tyrannical said:

 I thought it would be worth mentioning what could drive the Russian to act like that.

 Andrei (Russian) recalled that his men had detained a suspect (Chechen) who had several videos of militants torturing Russian hostages. One showed him laughing as his comrades raped a 12-year-old girl and then shot off three of her fingers.

I also wanted to point out how the newspaper called the Chechen prisoner a "suspect" while a video showed him laughing about the rape.

“We all went berserk after watching this,” said Andrei, who had begun to beat the suspect. “He fell to the ground. I ordered him to get up but he couldn’t because of his handcuffs. I ordered the cuffs off but something was wrong with the lock. I became angrier and ordered one of my sergeants to get them off no matter what.

“So he took an axe and chopped his arms off. The prisoner screamed in agony. Clearly it would have been impossible to interrogate him further so I shot him in the head.”

I have to admit I did laugh a bit in a sadistic manor at that part.

 

 

I wouldn't have shot him so soon, let him die from bleeding for what he did.

However this goes against your point completely. At least the Russians knew they were people committing horrible acts, while some of the war prisoners in Guantanamo were there by accident. At least by you providing just that.



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Tyrannical on 28 April 2009
vlad321 said:

I wouldn't have shot him so soon, let him die from bleeding for what he did.

However this goes against your point completely. At least the Russians knew they were people committing horrible acts, while some of the war prisoners in Guantanamo were there by accident. At least by you providing just that.

 

Shooting him was an act of compassion. I guess it tells something about yourself to let him suffer after the Russian realized he could not interogate him anymore.

I doubt anyone was in Guantanamo by accident. I'm sure there were people lower on the "hate America and willing to die" scale then others. But you don't accidently and innocently end up in Gitmo. Unless you were the Pizza guy that just happened to be delivering to Al-Qaeda that night.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
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vlad321 on 28 April 2009
Tyrannical said:
vlad321 said:

I wouldn't have shot him so soon, let him die from bleeding for what he did.

However this goes against your point completely. At least the Russians knew they were people committing horrible acts, while some of the war prisoners in Guantanamo were there by accident. At least by you providing just that.

 

Shooting him was an act of compassion. I guess it tells something about yourself to let him suffer after the Russian realized he could not interogate him anymore.

I doubt anyone was in Guantanamo by accident. I'm sure there were people lower on the "hate America and willing to die" scale then others. But you don't accidently and innocently end up in Gitmo. Unless you were the Pizza guy that just happened to be delivering to Al-Qaeda that night.

Eye for two, tooth for thirty-two. When you are sure though, otherwise youa re just fucked up.

My problem with Guantanamo is that they did what they did without being sure they had done anything or that they actually held "vital" information. They just did it out of the possibility.

 



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Tyrannical on 28 April 2009
vlad321 said:

My problem with Guantanamo is that they did what they did without being sure they had done anything or that they actually held "vital" information. They just did it out of the possibility.

 

 Well, if they were psychic they wouldn't  have to "ask" for information.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
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vlad321 on 28 April 2009
Tyrannical said:
vlad321 said:

My problem with Guantanamo is that they did what they did without being sure they had done anything or that they actually held "vital" information. They just did it out of the possibility.

 

 Well, if they were psychic they wouldn't  have to "ask" for information.

 

Tough luck then.



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Slimebeast on 28 April 2009

That was an interesting article. No wonder that we haven't heard any news of a rebel come-back, or of any remaining resistance in Chechnya in the past years. The Chechnyan rebels are crushed.

Russians are very tough people.



elprincipe on 28 April 2009
highwaystar101 said:
Tyrannical said:
akuma587 said:

You could also tell that to the Framers of the Constitution.

 

I wonder what the framers of the constitution would do about foreign Islamic millitants attacking US civilians and assets?

If only there were things written in history books that would give you this kind of incite.

 

Hmm, I wonder what they would say about the incredible amount of anti-Islamic propaganda promoted Bush, Murdoch and whoever else too too.

That type of arguement goes on forever.

What anti-Islamic propaganda, pray tell, was promoted by Bush?  I'd be very interested to know.  Please provide reputable links.  I don't know (or care) about Murdoch.

 



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MrBubbles on 28 April 2009

i guess the ethnic cleansing in south ossetia and abkhazia by the russians is completely irrelevant. as well as funding their rebel groups, provoking conflict and essentially stealing those 2 parts of Georgia. im sure russia wouldnt mind if someone went and funded those chechen rebels, invaded chechnya, and then said chechnya was theirs



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vlad321 on 28 April 2009
elprincipe said:
highwaystar101 said:
Tyrannical said:
akuma587 said:

You could also tell that to the Framers of the Constitution.

 

I wonder what the framers of the constitution would do about foreign Islamic millitants attacking US civilians and assets?

If only there were things written in history books that would give you this kind of incite.

 

Hmm, I wonder what they would say about the incredible amount of anti-Islamic propaganda promoted Bush, Murdoch and whoever else too too.

That type of arguement goes on forever.

What anti-Islamic propaganda, pray tell, was promoted by Bush?  I'd be very interested to know.  Please provide reputable links.  I don't know (or care) about Murdoch.

 

 

Didn't he set us out on, and I quote, "a crusade?"



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TheRealMafoo on 28 April 2009
akuma587 said:

And Americans wonder why people hate America.

 

I just wonder why you hate America.