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I guess you missed the part when I said 'until only a few years back'. It is only in what, the past 20 years? that the Russian government stopped a lot of this.

It's hardly likely that the Russian government will have another mass genocide.

I mean some horrible things have happened in Chechnya and that is more recent than slavery and Nazis, who have pretty much all but died off.

But a lot of the people from Chechnya I would imagine still fear the Russians as it was only recently this occured. In 50 years perhaps it will be largely forgiven and forgotten, like with the Nazis or the slave owners.

What the Russian military have done is still fresh in many peoples memories, I'm sure a lot of tortured Chechnyan's will agree with me.

The government works much better now and I doubt we will see anything quite as bad again though



highwaystar101 said:
I guess you missed the part when I said 'until only a few years back'. It is only in what, the past 20 years? that the Russian government stopped a lot of this.

It's hardly likely that the Russian government will have another mass genocide.

I mean some horrible things have happened in Chechnya and that is more recent than slavery and Nazis, who have pretty much all but died off.

But a lot of the people from Chechnya I would imagine still fear the Russians as it was only recently this occured. In 50 years perhaps it will be largely forgiven and forgotten, like with the Nazis or the slave owners.

What the Russian military have done is still fresh in many peoples memories, I'm sure a lot of tortured Chechnyan's will agree with me.

The government works much better now and I doubt we will see anything quite as bad again though

lol omg you just keep going dont u?  where ta hell do you get off judging a government of people that you dont even have the slightest idea about? Keep watching your american news.... i think that a Civil war is much more likely in America than it is in russia....  



antfromtashkent said:
highwaystar101 said:
I guess you missed the part when I said 'until only a few years back'. It is only in what, the past 20 years? that the Russian government stopped a lot of this.

It's hardly likely that the Russian government will have another mass genocide.

I mean some horrible things have happened in Chechnya and that is more recent than slavery and Nazis, who have pretty much all but died off.

But a lot of the people from Chechnya I would imagine still fear the Russians as it was only recently this occured. In 50 years perhaps it will be largely forgiven and forgotten, like with the Nazis or the slave owners.

What the Russian military have done is still fresh in many peoples memories, I'm sure a lot of tortured Chechnyan's will agree with me.

The government works much better now and I doubt we will see anything quite as bad again though

lol omg you just keep going dont u? where ta hell do you get off judging a government of people that you dont even have the slightest idea about? Keep watching your american news.... i think that a Civil war is much more likely in America than it is in russia....

I don't think you've ever read my posts have you??? I'm very liberal, I'm very pro peace, I read the ENGLISH Guardian not American.

You don't have a fucking clue what I'm on about or who I am do you?

I say Chechnya people have been tortured, you can't deny that. It's fact. Have you ever read my posts??? The amount of times I've supported Russia and their politics for various thing. But I don't agree with what they have doen in Chechnya or Georgia becaus it is aggressive and wrong.

Also, are you under the impression that I am not European or something??? I am NOT american

It is obviuous you have no idea who I am or hav ever read my posts in political threads. How dare you judge me like this.



highwaystar101 said:
antfromtashkent said:
highwaystar101 said:
I guess you missed the part when I said 'until only a few years back'. It is only in what, the past 20 years? that the Russian government stopped a lot of this.

It's hardly likely that the Russian government will have another mass genocide.

I mean some horrible things have happened in Chechnya and that is more recent than slavery and Nazis, who have pretty much all but died off.

But a lot of the people from Chechnya I would imagine still fear the Russians as it was only recently this occured. In 50 years perhaps it will be largely forgiven and forgotten, like with the Nazis or the slave owners.

What the Russian military have done is still fresh in many peoples memories, I'm sure a lot of tortured Chechnyan's will agree with me.

The government works much better now and I doubt we will see anything quite as bad again though

lol omg you just keep going dont u? where ta hell do you get off judging a government of people that you dont even have the slightest idea about? Keep watching your american news.... i think that a Civil war is much more likely in America than it is in russia....

I don't think you've ever read my posts have you??? I'm very liberal, I'm very pro peace, I read the ENGLISH Guardian not American.

You don't have a fucking clue what I'm on about or who I am do you?

I say Chechnya people have been tortured, you can't deny that. It's fact. Have you ever read my posts??? The amount of times I've supported Russia and their politics for various thing. But I don't agree with what they have doen in Chechnya or Georgia becaus it is aggressive and wrong.

Also, are you under the impression that I am not European or something???

IT IS VERY OBVIOUS TO ME THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHO I AM OR WHAT I SUPPORT DO YOU????

I appologise for calling u american :P

Yes... there is torture in Russia.... yes we had a bad history.... but saying that is a horible place ... and that another genoside is likelly to happen because of that history is down right offencive.... russia has been on the right track and not giving them credit is wrong.

And please dont bring up Georgia because that opens up a whoooole different conversation...

 



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Ok, I admit I said some offensive things, it was my perspective and I didn't man to offend all Russians, just address some points about Russian politics.

Yeah, Russia have had a good run of politics in the last 20 years, everyone knows that, it has been very positive and will continue to do so.

--edit--

By the way do you realise that I didn't say a genocide was likely, I said it was highly unlikely???



highwaystar101 said:

Ok, I admit I said some offensive things, it was my perspective and I didn't man to offend all Russians, just address some points about Russian politics.

Yeah, Russia have had a good run of politics in the last 20 years, everyone knows that, it has been very positive and will continue to do so.

--edit--

By the way do you realise that I didn't say a genocide was likely, I said it was highly unlikely???

lol that was my fault i just read that post again... my bad i got a little heated and missread.

 



Georgia was the aggressor in south ossetia, Russia just responded by protecting its protectorate.



 

 

im_sneaky said:
Georgia was the aggressor in south ossetia, Russia just responded by protecting its protectorate.

not in the American media  ;)

 



 I thought it would be worth mentioning what could drive the Russian to act like that.

 Andrei (Russian) recalled that his men had detained a suspect (Chechen) who had several videos of militants torturing Russian hostages. One showed him laughing as his comrades raped a 12-year-old girl and then shot off three of her fingers.

I also wanted to point out how the newspaper called the Chechen prisoner a "suspect" while a video showed him laughing about the rape.

“We all went berserk after watching this,” said Andrei, who had begun to beat the suspect. “He fell to the ground. I ordered him to get up but he couldn’t because of his handcuffs. I ordered the cuffs off but something was wrong with the lock. I became angrier and ordered one of my sergeants to get them off no matter what.

“So he took an axe and chopped his arms off. The prisoner screamed in agony. Clearly it would have been impossible to interrogate him further so I shot him in the head.”

I have to admit I did laugh a bit in a sadistic manor at that part.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
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