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Jo21 on 27 April 2009
outlawauron said:
makingmusic476 said:

From what I've read, the Last Remnant suffered from a plethora of technical issues and minor gameplay flaws that held back what was a pretty good concept. Seemingly the game was rushed. Do they want to start doing this with all their titles?

Then Square will be just like every other Western developer!

 

UGH don't say that!!!!!!!!! AHHH.

*genocide mode: Western developers*



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Onyxmeth on 27 April 2009
Akvod said:
Onyxmeth said:
outlawauron said:
Onyxmeth said:
outlawauron said:
makingmusic476 said:

From what I've read, the Last Remnant suffered from a plethora of technical issues and minor gameplay flaws that held back what was a pretty good concept. Seemingly the game was rushed. Do they want to start doing this with all their titles?

Then Square will be just like every other Western developer!

Like Naughty Dog, Epic Games and Infinity Ward, that can make fantastic games while staying within the time frame of a two year period. There's really no reason why we have to translate what that SE dude is saying to mean rushing the games out the door. From the looks of it, he sees it as more of a management issue, and cracking down on being more efficient. There's nothing wrong with that, and there's no reason to think Square can't get on a better schedule with making deadlines.

If it's the head of Square talking, then his project managers are likely giving him deadline projections they can't keep, and he's getting tired of it. I want to do good work also at my job, but I do the best work I can in a manageable amount of time, so I don't fuck up deadlines. Square had no issues two generations ago making deadlines, making more games, and them being of at least the same quality as they are now if not better.

Yes you can point out the exception of greatness, but most western games are rushed, buggy, and completely unpolished.

So are most Japanese games. I tried to use exceptional western developers to make my point because that is what Square Enix are supposed to be. They should be the kind of place where teams can stay on schedule, push out a game every two years, and make them great and polished.

@akvod-Infinity Ward is the development team behind Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare and the upcoming Modern Warfare 2.

 

Lol. Is Modern Warfare THAT good? I really feel like I'm missing out on something huge. I'm planning on buying MAG over MW2 too =P

I won't guarantee you'll love it, but it is the most popular FPS of the generation. It has a very active community. It's my personal favorite online game this gen. I think it's a disservice for you to not try it if you do like FPS games. I don't want to speak for you either, but you may want to look more into MW2 before you decide to just get MAG over it. I know 256 players can sound appealing, but it can also be a fucking mess. I do hope for the best though, but I just find huge matches to be a challenge to keep up with. I don't feel as involved in the bigger picture no matter how good I do.

 



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Akvod on 27 April 2009
Onyxmeth said:
Akvod said:
Onyxmeth said:
outlawauron said:
Onyxmeth said:
outlawauron said:
makingmusic476 said:

From what I've read, the Last Remnant suffered from a plethora of technical issues and minor gameplay flaws that held back what was a pretty good concept. Seemingly the game was rushed. Do they want to start doing this with all their titles?

Then Square will be just like every other Western developer!

Like Naughty Dog, Epic Games and Infinity Ward, that can make fantastic games while staying within the time frame of a two year period. There's really no reason why we have to translate what that SE dude is saying to mean rushing the games out the door. From the looks of it, he sees it as more of a management issue, and cracking down on being more efficient. There's nothing wrong with that, and there's no reason to think Square can't get on a better schedule with making deadlines.

If it's the head of Square talking, then his project managers are likely giving him deadline projections they can't keep, and he's getting tired of it. I want to do good work also at my job, but I do the best work I can in a manageable amount of time, so I don't fuck up deadlines. Square had no issues two generations ago making deadlines, making more games, and them being of at least the same quality as they are now if not better.

Yes you can point out the exception of greatness, but most western games are rushed, buggy, and completely unpolished.

So are most Japanese games. I tried to use exceptional western developers to make my point because that is what Square Enix are supposed to be. They should be the kind of place where teams can stay on schedule, push out a game every two years, and make them great and polished.

@akvod-Infinity Ward is the development team behind Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare and the upcoming Modern Warfare 2.

 

Lol. Is Modern Warfare THAT good? I really feel like I'm missing out on something huge. I'm planning on buying MAG over MW2 too =P

I won't guarantee you'll love it, but it is the most popular FPS of the generation. It has a very active community. It's my personal favorite online game this gen. I think it's a disservice for you to not try it if you do like FPS games. I don't want to speak for you either, but you may want to look more into MW2 before you decide to just get MAG over it. I know 256 players can sound appealing, but it can also be a fucking mess. I do hope for the best though, but I just find huge matches to be a challenge to keep up with. I don't feel as involved in the bigger picture no matter how good I do.

 

Is COD4 still active? If I have spare cash and it's cheap, I might try it. But, I actually love being part of a small picture. It adds to the suspense of disbelief, and the feeling that you are a lone soldier in a huge war, and the only way to surivive and win is to cooperate. If the maps are big, and the spawns are spread out enough, then the max player shouldn't be an issue. On the other hand, my friend keeps telling me how he loves to spam grenades when he spawns and get a random kill. I remember doing that on Socom when I played my PS2 XD

Small maps/small players vs. Big maps/large player size. Both seem equal to me. Snipers could be a big issue though.

I loved BF: BC, and I really want a game like that. BC 2 looks really appealing, but MAG has finally won me over. I'll wait till E3 though, so hopefully all 3 games will be featured.



Onyxmeth on 27 April 2009
Akvod said:
dddd

Is COD4 still active? If I have spare cash and it's cheap, I might try it. But, I actually love being part of a small picture. It adds to the suspense of disbelief, and the feeling that you are a lone soldier in a huge war, and the only way to surivive and win is to cooperate. If the maps are big, and the spawns are spread out enough, then the max player shouldn't be an issue. On the other hand, my friend keeps telling me how he loves to spam grenades when he spawns and get a random kill. I remember doing that on Socom when I played my PS2 XD

Small maps/small players vs. Big maps/large player size. Both seem equal to me. Snipers could be a big issue though.

I loved BF: BC, and I really want a game like that. BC 2 looks really appealing, but MAG has finally won me over. I'll wait till E3 though, so hopefully all 3 games will be featured.

COD4 is very active. There isn't a single time of any day you can't find active matches on any game type. Even if you play at 5AM, you'll get plenty of people playing. I would really recommend you give it a shot, even if it's just a rental to start with. I have a good feeling you'll like it.

You'll have to bargain hunt for a cheap copy if you want to purchase it though. The game still retails for $59.99.

 



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Pristine20 on 27 April 2009
Squall_Leonhart said:
They take too long to make games and also make them not on the platform that they will sell the best on... Yes i am speaking as a disgruntled PS3 owner!! Damn you SE!!

 

I think FFXIII is the game in question here not anything S-E has released on 360 thus far. The clash with the creators makes things even more obvious. What other title does square insist on polishing to perfection?



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N.Genckel on 27 April 2009

Squenix: We used to make great games, but now we are average at best.

They finally admit it!



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griffinA on 27 April 2009

I think I speak for all gamers when I say: DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH



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outlawauron on 27 April 2009
Akvod said:
Onyxmeth said:
outlawauron said:
Onyxmeth said:
outlawauron said:
makingmusic476 said:

From what I've read, the Last Remnant suffered from a plethora of technical issues and minor gameplay flaws that held back what was a pretty good concept. Seemingly the game was rushed. Do they want to start doing this with all their titles?

Then Square will be just like every other Western developer!

Like Naughty Dog, Epic Games and Infinity Ward, that can make fantastic games while staying within the time frame of a two year period. There's really no reason why we have to translate what that SE dude is saying to mean rushing the games out the door. From the looks of it, he sees it as more of a management issue, and cracking down on being more efficient. There's nothing wrong with that, and there's no reason to think Square can't get on a better schedule with making deadlines.

If it's the head of Square talking, then his project managers are likely giving him deadline projections they can't keep, and he's getting tired of it. I want to do good work also at my job, but I do the best work I can in a manageable amount of time, so I don't fuck up deadlines. Square had no issues two generations ago making deadlines, making more games, and them being of at least the same quality as they are now if not better.

Yes you can point out the exception of greatness, but most western games are rushed, buggy, and completely unpolished.

So are most Japanese games. I tried to use exceptional western developers to make my point because that is what Square Enix are supposed to be. They should be the kind of place where teams can stay on schedule, push out a game every two years, and make them great and polished.

@akvod-Infinity Ward is the development team behind Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare and the upcoming Modern Warfare 2.

 

Lol. Is Modern Warfare THAT good? I really feel like I'm missing out on something huge. I'm planning on buying MAG over MW2 too =P

It's fantastic!



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theRepublic on 27 April 2009

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No shit Sherlock.



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killeryoshis on 27 April 2009

I wish games can be made in 1 day.



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