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nightsurge said:
Phrancheyez said:
nightsurge said:
Kantor said:
nightsurge said:
2funky4u said:

PlayStation 3 price slash at E3 and Final Fantasy XIII exclusive in Japan so f**k yeah it will last.

Microsoft will announce it's next console before Sony does and what does that tell you?

The Xbox 360 is finished, the RROD problem is sure to bring it down if the above isn't.

 

Yay, a new alternate account.  Ban this man please.  RROD is a thing of the past.

 

It's not a thing of the past. It's just not common any more. It still happens. I have a friend who it happened to just a month or so ago.

It is an issue of the past.  Yes there are still plenty of refurbs and older motherboards out there that will die, but the issue itself is a thing of the past.  The warranty, the new motherboard revisions, etc. all changed that.

 

 

And with that statement, your argument fails.  The warranty didn't change anything.  The new motherboards did, but they sold the bad ones for a few years, and theres still a bunch out there.  Like Kantor said, if it happened to his friend a month ago, it's definitely not dead.  It's just not quite no where near as prominent as it used to be.

Exactly.  With that statement my argument wins.  It is not an issue anymore.  RROD exists, but it is no longer an issue thanks to the warranty coverage that replaces failed units, and new motherboard revisions which prevent it.  Issue solved.  The rest out there is just a lingering clean-up process.

Case closed.

 

So with potentially millions of 'clean up-processes' left to go through....you don't think RROD is still an issue?   I'd agree with you that the other guy was just plain trolling....But trying to act as if RROD/E-74 isn't still a prevalent issue is a downright lie.  Warranties don't make it a non-issue.  They just make it an issue that doesn't cost you extra money.

 



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kowenicki said:
people just make their own facts up on here...

TRUE FACT: This year is THE best year for the 360 in Japan, by a bucket load.

TRUE FACT: This year is THE best year for the PS3 in Japan, by a small amount.

 

 

PS3 is up YoY 70k, while X360 is up YoY 108k. Could 38k be considered the difference between "small amount" and "bucket load"? mmmm I don't think so.

 



 

 

 

 

 

^^Jasper is already out, we don't need to "know what's in store." And so far I have heard absolutely no record of a Jasper getting RROD in the last 6 months it's been in production.



Rpruett said:
nightsurge said:
Phrancheyez said:
nightsurge said:
Kantor said:
nightsurge said:
2funky4u said:

PlayStation 3 price slash at E3 and Final Fantasy XIII exclusive in Japan so f**k yeah it will last.

Microsoft will announce it's next console before Sony does and what does that tell you?

The Xbox 360 is finished, the RROD problem is sure to bring it down if the above isn't.

 

Yay, a new alternate account.  Ban this man please.  RROD is a thing of the past.

 

It's not a thing of the past. It's just not common any more. It still happens. I have a friend who it happened to just a month or so ago.

It is an issue of the past.  Yes there are still plenty of refurbs and older motherboards out there that will die, but the issue itself is a thing of the past.  The warranty, the new motherboard revisions, etc. all changed that.

 

 

And with that statement, your argument fails.  The warranty didn't change anything.  The new motherboards did, but they sold the bad ones for a few years, and theres still a bunch out there.  Like Kantor said, if it happened to his friend a month ago, it's definitely not dead.  It's just not quite no where near as prominent as it used to be.

Exactly.  With that statement my argument wins.  It is not an issue anymore.  RROD exists, but it is no longer an issue thanks to the warranty coverage that replaces failed units, and new motherboard revisions which prevent it.  Issue solved.  The rest out there is just a lingering clean-up process.

Case closed.

 

So with potentially millions of 'clean up-processes' left to go through....you don't think RROD is still an issue?   I'd agree with you that the other guy was just plain trolling....But trying to act as if RROD/E-74 isn't still a prevalent issue is a downright lie.  Warranties don't make it a non-issue.  They just make it an issue that doesn't cost you extra money.

 

I highly doubt there are still "millions" of potentiall RROD candidates left out there.  Not all refurbs/fixed consoles get RROD again.  Mine sure hasn't and it's been over a year and a half since it got RROD.

If there are as many as 900k still out there, which is probably pretty likely, then that is perfectly acceptable and within the 3% accepted error for electronic devices.

 



nightsurge said:
Rpruett said:
nightsurge said:
Phrancheyez said:
nightsurge said:
Kantor said:
nightsurge said:
2funky4u said:

PlayStation 3 price slash at E3 and Final Fantasy XIII exclusive in Japan so f**k yeah it will last.

Microsoft will announce it's next console before Sony does and what does that tell you?

The Xbox 360 is finished, the RROD problem is sure to bring it down if the above isn't.

 

Yay, a new alternate account.  Ban this man please.  RROD is a thing of the past.

 

It's not a thing of the past. It's just not common any more. It still happens. I have a friend who it happened to just a month or so ago.

It is an issue of the past.  Yes there are still plenty of refurbs and older motherboards out there that will die, but the issue itself is a thing of the past.  The warranty, the new motherboard revisions, etc. all changed that.

 

 

And with that statement, your argument fails.  The warranty didn't change anything.  The new motherboards did, but they sold the bad ones for a few years, and theres still a bunch out there.  Like Kantor said, if it happened to his friend a month ago, it's definitely not dead.  It's just not quite no where near as prominent as it used to be.

Exactly.  With that statement my argument wins.  It is not an issue anymore.  RROD exists, but it is no longer an issue thanks to the warranty coverage that replaces failed units, and new motherboard revisions which prevent it.  Issue solved.  The rest out there is just a lingering clean-up process.

Case closed.

 

So with potentially millions of 'clean up-processes' left to go through....you don't think RROD is still an issue?   I'd agree with you that the other guy was just plain trolling....But trying to act as if RROD/E-74 isn't still a prevalent issue is a downright lie.  Warranties don't make it a non-issue.  They just make it an issue that doesn't cost you extra money.

 

I highly doubt there are still "millions" of potentiall RROD candidates left out there.  Not all refurbs/fixed consoles get RROD again.  Mine sure hasn't and it's been over a year and a half since it got RROD.

If there are as many as 900k still out there, which is probably pretty likely, then that is perfectly acceptable and within the 3% accepted error for electronic devices.

 

While I'm not sure how many consoles with the Jasper have been sold thus far, nor how many consoles have been refurbished with new parts, etc.  The RROD was up to what over a 33% failure rate?  With many consoles inevitably going to face the same fate?

Just as a very rough estimate, the 360 userbase right now is around 30,000,000.   With a 33% failure rate... Over 10,000,000 360's are/were definitely RROD'ed.

 

I wouldn't say it's totally unreasonable to expect that a few million 360s still aren't under the threat of RROD or E-74 or whatever the hell that is.

 



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kowenicki said:
haxxiy said:
kowenicki said:
people just make their own facts up on here...

TRUE FACT: This year is THE best year for the 360 in Japan, by a bucket load.

TRUE FACT: This year is THE best year for the PS3 in Japan, by a small amount.

 

 

PS3 is up YoY 70k, while X360 is up YoY 108k. Could 38k be considered the difference between "small amount" and "bucket load"? mmmm I don't think so.

 

Being a tad economical with the truth there arent you...

PS3 is up 19% on 2008 and only 10% on 2007 - ie a small amount

360 is up 192% on 2008 and 82% on 2007 - ie a bucket load

no?

 

 

 

 

I'd argue that you're also ignoring a teensy bit that the 360 percentage only looks so big due to how low the initial numbers for the console were in Japan.

Percentages can be deceptive too when used for comparison if the underlying numbers are in very different ranges.

Personally, I'd say its more or less even-stevens for both.  360 has at least got a foothold and has shown some okay spikes while PS3 has recovered from a slow start and shown some promise.  Neither is anything to write home about yet in Japan.

 



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

The only franchise that Microsoft can really depend on is just Gears 2 now, Halo is gone, and if Bungie doesnt make it then it will flop like Halo Wars. But with the PS3, their franchises keep adding. Soon you will see that games like God of War and Uncharted will move hardware in the future, also their first party games are just coming out so there is a lot more to come.



The reason why I said it flopped b/c its a game that has "HALO" in the title, so its basically like saying a poor mario game doing 1.2million on the Wii. Get the drift?



I take it ur a 360 fan then, b/c i just saw ur game collection.



nightsurge said:
Rpruett said:
nightsurge said:
Phrancheyez said:
nightsurge said:
Kantor said:
nightsurge said:
2funky4u said:

PlayStation 3 price slash at E3 and Final Fantasy XIII exclusive in Japan so f**k yeah it will last.

Microsoft will announce it's next console before Sony does and what does that tell you?

The Xbox 360 is finished, the RROD problem is sure to bring it down if the above isn't.

 

Yay, a new alternate account.  Ban this man please.  RROD is a thing of the past.

 

It's not a thing of the past. It's just not common any more. It still happens. I have a friend who it happened to just a month or so ago.

It is an issue of the past.  Yes there are still plenty of refurbs and older motherboards out there that will die, but the issue itself is a thing of the past.  The warranty, the new motherboard revisions, etc. all changed that.

 

 

And with that statement, your argument fails.  The warranty didn't change anything.  The new motherboards did, but they sold the bad ones for a few years, and theres still a bunch out there.  Like Kantor said, if it happened to his friend a month ago, it's definitely not dead.  It's just not quite no where near as prominent as it used to be.

Exactly.  With that statement my argument wins.  It is not an issue anymore.  RROD exists, but it is no longer an issue thanks to the warranty coverage that replaces failed units, and new motherboard revisions which prevent it.  Issue solved.  The rest out there is just a lingering clean-up process.

Case closed.

 

So with potentially millions of 'clean up-processes' left to go through....you don't think RROD is still an issue?   I'd agree with you that the other guy was just plain trolling....But trying to act as if RROD/E-74 isn't still a prevalent issue is a downright lie.  Warranties don't make it a non-issue.  They just make it an issue that doesn't cost you extra money.

 

I highly doubt there are still "millions" of potentiall RROD candidates left out there.  Not all refurbs/fixed consoles get RROD again.  Mine sure hasn't and it's been over a year and a half since it got RROD.

If there are as many as 900k still out there, which is probably pretty likely, then that is perfectly acceptable and within the 3% accepted error for electronic devices.

 

Not all 360s on the market are Jaspers. And in fact, it had been over three years since he bought the 360...



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