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Seihyouken on 24 April 2009
thx1139 said:
Seihyouken said:
Jeronimo66 said:

I see the 360 slashing price as low as 150 this year.

If sony drops the price of the ps3 to 299, I think 360 will still outsell ps3 at a 150 entry point.

And if sony drops to 299 this year, I don't expect them to drop the price next year, and since 360 will still be outselling the ps3, I dont expect microsoft to slash the price of the 360 next year either.

A 299 ps3 cannot touch a 149 dollar xbox 360, it just can't.

 

History disagrees. In Q4 2007 when the PS3 dropped its price to $399.99, they closed the gap between them and the 360 ($279.99) down to $120 ($140 later in Europe/Japan). From that time until the 360 had a firesale for the 20GB Pro model and dropped it's price to $299.99 followed up with a huge price cut for all models making the cheapest one $199.99, the 360 didn't manage to outsell the PS3 in weekly, worldwide sales even once. The 360 was incapable of outselling the PS3 at a difference of under $140.

 

 Stopped reading your post after this paragraph.  How is the total reduction of the Arcade/Core and the Pro of $100 in about 3 years a huge price reduction.  Yet the PS3 dropped from $600 to $400 in less than 1 year.  Using comments like firesale and huge to describe the total of $100 price reduction on the 360 hardware shows the bias and shows where your going.

I don't see your point. Are you trying to argue that Microsoft's price drop wasn't huge? Considering that they issued a meager $20 off the Arcade in 2007 and most are expecting a $50 price cut from Microsoft at most this year, last year's price cut WAS huge. Furthermore, you feel the need to point out that Sony had two massive price drops in 2007 even though I never insinuated that they didn't. That shows your bias and explains why you felt the need to stop reading.



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thx1139 on 24 April 2009

@Seiyouhen,

Your second sentence in the paragraph.

"In Q4 2007 when the PS3 dropped its price to $399.99...."

Why did you say "In Q4 2007, when the PS3 had a massive price drop to $399.99..."

An $80 price drop is not huge. Yes the $20 price drop the previous year was ridiculously low for a first price drop. I believe if the RRoD problem had not occurred MS was planning on dropping $100 in 2007. What made it possible for MS to barely move on price was the dismal performance of the PS3 in 2007.

2002 after the PS2 after 1.5 years on the market dropped $100 to $199.99. At the same time MS dropped the Xbox to $199.99 from $299.99 after being on the market 6 months.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

ocnkng on 24 April 2009
piggychan said:
this was posted on kotaku on january that MS expects sony to slash ps3s

http://kotaku.com/5125706/microsoft-dates-playstation-3-price-drop-for-springtime

I think this is a cheap move by MS. IMO they are just trying to flame rumors of a price cut for the PS3 coz that creates a hesitation in the minds of would be buyers who would hate to buy a console that get a price cut just after.

 



 

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Zomb1337 on 24 April 2009

I see a $30-$50 price cut on all 360 models in Late 2009 to boost 360 sales even further.



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yo_john117 on 24 April 2009
Rpruett said:
yo_john117 said:
Rpruett said:
yo_john117 said:
Rpruett said:
Why does everyone assume that Microsoft is just going to slash prices to counter Sony? Has this happened yet? Both companies have cut prices at different eventual points in time. Microsoft will cut the 360s price when the demand slows down and it makes sense for them financially. I bet the weather the storm of sales by Sony.

And yes, I believe Sony will still do gangbusters if they drop the price to around $300.

Same question is applyed to why does everyone assume that the PS3 will sell mega amounts if the price is dropped.

 

That's not the same question applied at all....What are you talking about?    And yes,  the last time Sony slashed it's prices it outsold a cheaper 360 for 9 straight months.  (Until the 360 cut it's price).   With each passing price cut the margin that the 360 has over the PS3 diminishes.

Adding onto the fact that the PS3 hasn't even reached the historic rapid sales price and it's easy to see.  The PS3's biggest limiting factor is it's current cost is what the original cost was for the Xbox 360.....Several years ago.  

 

Sony tried to win both battles this generation.  Firstly,  pushing their new Blu-Ray format was  smart business sense for them.  In terms of High Definition....Sony is a big name in Televisions, Players, etc.  Additionally,  Sony is heavily involved with several movie production studios as well.  The adoption of Blu-Ray was/is in Sony's best interest.   Secondly,  they tried to rely on brand name to carry them over with an expensive console pushing technology that was  relatively new to the market.  

The first part worked to perfection.  The second part hasn't gone how they would have liked I'm sure but the fact that they've remained close to their competitors and held a high amount of sales shows that there is certainly a market out there and they certainly can obtain quite a large amount of sales over time.  Especially as the only real 'problem' to a vast majority of consumers with the PS3 is it's price.

i never said that the PS3 wouldn't outsell the 360 if it got a price check. I meant why do so many people think that the PS3 is goina go "gangbusters" if they drop the price.  

 

Outselling the 360 on a week to week basis could quantify as going gangbusters..Could it not?

 

lol i suppose it could, but when i think of gangbusters i think of it massivly outselling the 360.

 



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Skeeuk on 24 April 2009

if ps3 pricing is within reach for majority of purchasers, ps3 should sell more than 360 anyways even if 360 price is cut.

^that is if sony keeps great games releasing all the time.



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Jeronimo66 on 24 April 2009
richardhutnik said:
Jeronimo66 said:

A 299 ps3 cannot touch a 149 dollar xbox 360, it just can't.

Stop, Hammer Time!

 

LOL, good one, that was funny.

 



Jeronimo66 on 24 April 2009
Seihyouken said:
Jeronimo66 said:

I see the 360 slashing price as low as 150 this year.

If sony drops the price of the ps3 to 299, I think 360 will still outsell ps3 at a 150 entry point.

And if sony drops to 299 this year, I don't expect them to drop the price next year, and since 360 will still be outselling the ps3, I dont expect microsoft to slash the price of the 360 next year either.

A 299 ps3 cannot touch a 149 dollar xbox 360, it just can't.

 

History disagrees. In Q4 2007 when the PS3 dropped its price to $399.99, they closed the gap between them and the 360 ($279.99) down to $120 ($140 later in Europe/Japan). From that time until the 360 had a firesale for the 20GB Pro model and dropped it's price to $299.99 followed up with a huge price cut for all models making the cheapest one $199.99, the 360 didn't manage to outsell the PS3 in weekly, worldwide sales even once. The 360 was incapable of outselling the PS3 at a difference of under $140.

Not only would a $299.99 PS3 "touch" a  $149.99 360, it would consistently outsell it between Q1 and Q3. The only questionable period would be Q4, where consumers are significantly more price-concious. However, if the PS3 were to issue a $100 price cut IN Q4, then the pent up demand as well as the spontanious purchases would likely put the two on even grounds in overall sales at a $150 difference. However, the main difference between the two that could push Sony ahead of Microsoft is the games. Sony's Q4 lineup of games is pretty much solid. Final Fantasy XIII in Japan will close much of any gap between the two consoles in the west and Gran Turismo 5 is heavily rumored for a December release which would ensure PS3's dominance in Europe. After those two megatons, Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time, M.A.G., Heavy Rain, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, Katamari Forever, and EyePet rounds out a pretty spectacular lineup. On the otherside, Microsoft doesn't have a single exclusive game announced for Q4 this year. Halo 3: ODST is September, Mass Effect 2 is 2010, Alan Wake is TBA, and Ninety-Nine Nights II is TBA 2009, but only currently in Japan. Everyone seems to be hoping out of necessity that Microsoft will announced a slew of huge games all coming this year at E3, but not much supports this train of thought. Forza Motorsport 3 is an obvious game to be announced at E3, but every Forza Motorsport has released in May so far with a two year difference between them. In the same sense as God of War III, I would not be one bit surprised if Forza 3 is a 2010 title. We'll almost definitely be getting at least one new game announcment from Rare, but the developer's history suggests that they won't have more than one game released this year, if even that. Furthermore, Rare games never seem to sell spectacularly. Lionhead Studios will probably announce something, but I don't think anyone is dilusional enough to think it will actually come this year. I expect the typical standby's for Microsoft this Q4 such as Scene It? 3, Naruto 3, and Dance Dance Revolution 4, but anyone expecting too much more than the above is setting themselves up for massive disappointment.

 

You cannot compare a 280 dollar xbox 360 to a 150 xbox 360, period.

Like I said before, A 299 ps3 cannot touch a 149 dollar xbox 360, it just can't.

 

 



teknohick on 25 April 2009

price point aside, ps3 has other issues in the marketplace, mainly dealing with perception. at this point, even with a fair price drop in the u.s., sony is going to have a difficult time dealing with microsoft in the americas and europe.

you can have the best technical platform and even a good price point, if the general market and retail dosent have a favorable perception of the product your in trouble.

sony is in a very vicarious position, not only with the market but also within the industry. they need to break the mold of being an equal to 360. that isnt going to be easy given the economy, development costs and the current situation many of the large publishers find themselves in. developers see the profitable entry being a duo/trifecta release. (360/ps3/pc)

sonys misjudgments and errors this gen have been really costly (namely blu-ray). they've given microsoft a way to worm into the market to create a viable and legitimate platform. pricing is one problem of many that ps3 has. it stems from the very hardware to the consumer and developer.




Seihyouken on 25 April 2009
Jeronimo66 said:
Seihyouken said:
Jeronimo66 said:

I see the 360 slashing price as low as 150 this year.

If sony drops the price of the ps3 to 299, I think 360 will still outsell ps3 at a 150 entry point.

And if sony drops to 299 this year, I don't expect them to drop the price next year, and since 360 will still be outselling the ps3, I dont expect microsoft to slash the price of the 360 next year either.

A 299 ps3 cannot touch a 149 dollar xbox 360, it just can't.

 

History disagrees. In Q4 2007 when the PS3 dropped its price to $399.99, they closed the gap between them and the 360 ($279.99) down to $120 ($140 later in Europe/Japan). From that time until the 360 had a firesale for the 20GB Pro model and dropped it's price to $299.99 followed up with a huge price cut for all models making the cheapest one $199.99, the 360 didn't manage to outsell the PS3 in weekly, worldwide sales even once. The 360 was incapable of outselling the PS3 at a difference of under $140.

Not only would a $299.99 PS3 "touch" a  $149.99 360, it would consistently outsell it between Q1 and Q3. The only questionable period would be Q4, where consumers are significantly more price-concious. However, if the PS3 were to issue a $100 price cut IN Q4, then the pent up demand as well as the spontanious purchases would likely put the two on even grounds in overall sales at a $150 difference. However, the main difference between the two that could push Sony ahead of Microsoft is the games. Sony's Q4 lineup of games is pretty much solid. Final Fantasy XIII in Japan will close much of any gap between the two consoles in the west and Gran Turismo 5 is heavily rumored for a December release which would ensure PS3's dominance in Europe. After those two megatons, Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time, M.A.G., Heavy Rain, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, Katamari Forever, and EyePet rounds out a pretty spectacular lineup. On the otherside, Microsoft doesn't have a single exclusive game announced for Q4 this year. Halo 3: ODST is September, Mass Effect 2 is 2010, Alan Wake is TBA, and Ninety-Nine Nights II is TBA 2009, but only currently in Japan. Everyone seems to be hoping out of necessity that Microsoft will announced a slew of huge games all coming this year at E3, but not much supports this train of thought. Forza Motorsport 3 is an obvious game to be announced at E3, but every Forza Motorsport has released in May so far with a two year difference between them. In the same sense as God of War III, I would not be one bit surprised if Forza 3 is a 2010 title. We'll almost definitely be getting at least one new game announcment from Rare, but the developer's history suggests that they won't have more than one game released this year, if even that. Furthermore, Rare games never seem to sell spectacularly. Lionhead Studios will probably announce something, but I don't think anyone is dilusional enough to think it will actually come this year. I expect the typical standby's for Microsoft this Q4 such as Scene It? 3, Naruto 3, and Dance Dance Revolution 4, but anyone expecting too much more than the above is setting themselves up for massive disappointment.

 

You cannot compare a 280 dollar xbox 360 to a 150 xbox 360, period.

Like I said before, A 299 ps3 cannot touch a 149 dollar xbox 360, it just can't.

 

 

I don't know if you've checked the weekly worldwide sales charts recently, but we can already compare a 400 dollar PS3 to a 200 dollar 360. You can bet your ass we can compare a 150 dollar 360 to a 300 dollar PS3.