Errr? I've tried the X360 version (not installed) of RE5 and the loadtimes are significantly longer than the PS3 version. Same goes for DMC4 with its improved performance. Have you tried to install games on your 360? If Every single PS3 has a mandatory Hard Drive, why not take advantage of it? I recall Microsoft itself saying that no games developed on the X360 will be allowed to have mandatory installs because not every X360 has a hard drive.

Mandatory installs doesn't mean a system is inferior. My computer tells me that if I want to play Halo 2, I have to install it on my HDD first. Does this mean that the XBOX is MORE powerful than my gaming rig?

Your logic fails lamentably.

The Blu-Ray drive isn't so great with regard to transfer rate (it's similar on average, but there is better potential for data duplication, optimal usage and such, the speed is very competent though - all the content of a 25 GB disc can in theory be streamed in just 45 minutes), it's great with regard to storage capacity, drive noise, predictable streaming performance, etc.

Many multi-platform games have been assets wise optimised for the XBox 360 and optimised for DVD loading (CD/DVD have been used for decades, Blu-Ray is relatively very new technology). Optimising for Blu-Ray is different, this is where first parties with games like Uncharted and Killzone 2 set examples. On the PS3 you also have the default harddrive, using smart methods in game engines for harddrive caching you can take great advantage of this as well.

Like mentioned already, using the harddrive to install data is the easy method for multi-platform developers to overcome these differences cheaply and without too much effort.

But the PS3 is faster because the data is on a hard drive in your RE5 example.  Thats not an apples to apples comparison.  The question would be how are the 360 load times in comparison if its installed on a 360 drive.

No one is saying why not take advantage of hard drives.  The question is, why *require* it.  There is a limited amount of space on those drives.  If you have the option to run off the optical drive with decent speeds thats an important feature.  That gives you greater flexibility in how you can use your system comfortably.  Its not a question of whats more "powerful" in my mind.

You don't need a degree to optimise data placement for any storage medium. Any turd can do it.

So you're saying that because bluray is a "new technolog" it means that some devlopers haven't got to grips with optimising data placement.

Yet in the very same post you tout how "predictable" it is for data streaming?

Well you were right about one part, yes. It's predicatable, you get 2x which is very slow = all the time.

So you've contradicted yourself as you always do. There is no opimisation that needs to be done on bluray, there's enough storage space that you can place the same data over and over for easy sequential reading...

But according to the all knowing "MikeB" only the 1st party Sony devs have the mad skillz required to do this...

wow, they must be some amazing people....

And there was me thinking all it took was to know what data YOUR own game that your team developed needed to be loaded in sequence. Surely that would be harder to do on a DVD given it's "massive space limitations" ooohhhh nooooo...You fail.

Forgive me for doing a MikeB and making assumptions, but I think a monkey could do that...sorta like a basic jigsaw...near enough anyway ;)

Guys, honestly not answering Mike at all is our best option. He may go ape sh*t for a while on baiting posts. But eventually, if we are diligent enough in ignoring him he'll have to find some other place to hang out to get his fix at being a troll.

I have played various recent multi-platform games, like Call of Duty: World at War, Resident Evil 5 and Far Cry 2, I don't notice bad PS3 performance (although not measuring up to Killzone 2 and Uncharted in terms of graphics). I don't think such games truly provide much different experiences on either 360 or PS3. I think people exaggerate a lot (maybe there are tiny advantages, but I think you would have to run them side by side and still ....).

Other games which required a harddrive install on the PS3, also demonstrated clear and obvious loading improvement, such as in Oblivion.

This part of the article seems to regard data duplication.

(Babelfish translation) "Minimization of a quantity Of seek * all resources of zone - one linear block (files), the duplicates of resources in the different blocks - maximally effective reading * to arrange the dependent files is close to each other * “the shuffle” of the turn of load for the minimization of the length Of seek - group files - is not necessary seek to the catalog, files are located close"

Well at least this thread had a happy ending

That won't work, remember he has financial interest on the success of Sony. It's not attention he seeks, just the propaganda.