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WessleWoggle on 23 April 2009
Snesboy said:

Wow this thread is fucking stupid.

SIX pages of people bitching about what she said was right or wrong? Who cares? She wasn't brain washed, it was the way she was raised. There is nothing wrong with that.

You goddamn morons hate other people just because of their opinions or how they were raised?

Why don't you let your precious fucking socialist government tell you what to think. Good luck keeping your freedoms dumbasses.

*this post has been targeted at all the idiot Americans on VGChartz*

 

EDIT: /banned

Umm, we're all brainwashed. Being raised and being brainwashed are the same thing, only difference is with brainwashing you have to undo previously held beliefs, and with raising someone you can start from scratch.

What she said was wrong, and it's most certainly wrong in a pagent where you're supposed to say something nice, instead of what's true to yourself. If I was her I would have lied, it's a beauty pagent, and her opinion was ugly.

I don't hate people who are against gay marriage, I just think they are illogical, because their position has no logic other than appealing to tradition, a sense of sacredness, or religious/social authority, and those are fallacies.

 



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WessleWoggle on 23 April 2009
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle and the rest of you liberals. You who call yourself so moral and justful and say everyone should be equal, traditional values must be broken and stuff - what right do you have to eat animals?

Exactly. You're just like a racist. And hypocrite too.

 

Umm, you should know you're talking to a vegetarian... Please get off the fail train.

 

 Good! But yet you don't see the point??

I'm not a hypocite nor a racist. I hold everyone to the same standard as me.

So I do not see your point.

 

I do not.

 

 It's a greater injustice to eat animals like cows and pigs, than to deny homosexuals to marry - don't you agree?

But i dont see you attacking your liberal peers by calling them ignorant, unjust, bigot, illogical and brain washed for eating animals.

 

 

Well, you might see me calling them those things if they said that we should be allowed to eat animals because it's a sacred tradition. But they don't do that, they have a very clear line of logic.

Eating animals is logical. They taste good, they are nutritious, and eating already dead meat does not harm anything. The only thing that is wrong is buying the meat and thus supporting the meat industry.

Even though buying meat, and thus supporting slaughter, is evil, I understand FULLY their viewpoint.

But I cannot understand the viewpoint of people who are against gay marriage. With anti-gay marriage people, they have no logic, all they have are logical fallacies that try to appeal to tradition, a sense of sacredness, or authority.

I respect meat eater logic more than anti-gay-marriage logic, as people who are against gay marriage have no logic.

Meat eater logic: Meat tastes good, so I eat it(and thus support slaughter)

That, even though it's messed up and wrong, it is logical. If animals aren't slaughtered and sold, people won't get their meat. There's an actual negative effect on the individual.

Anti-gay-marriage logic: Marriage is sacred/tradition/against god, so gays should not be allowed to.

That is not logical. If gay marriages are allowed, it won't do any harm to the individuals marriage to their spouse. There is no logic in saying that gay marriage will reduce the sacredness, or tarnish the tradition, because sacredness is a meaningless word, and traditions don't dictate what's best for future generations should do.

There's no reason why gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, marriage isn't sacred, it's a social contract like any other.


I thought u were more intelligent than this.

So just because it's logical, it's okay? That's a very weak defense. You see, saying:

"Meat tastes good, so I eat it"
is logically equal to saying:
"jews are ugly, so I gass them"

Horrible comparison. Gassing jews kills jewish people, where as eating meat only puts already dead meat into your body, and causes no harm to any living thing.

There's NOTHING wrong with eating meat. At all. Only buying meat and slaughtering animals is wrong.

For example, you buy a cheeseburger, you're supporting the meat industry.

Someone else buys you a cheeseburger(without you asking them to), you are not supporting the meat industry.

 

Are you just playing tricks? You yourself stated:

 Meat eater logic: Meat tastes good, so I eat it(and thus support slaughter)

 - see the last part 'and thus support slaughter'!

Of course supporting the meat industry/killing animals is implied when you're arguing against eating meat.

Stop playing games.

 

 

I wrote that wrong. I should have added "buy it" in that sentance. Sorry for the confusion.

Even if it's wrong, there's logic in buying and eating meat for those who do, there's no logic in those who deny gays the right to marry. It doesn't personally harm their relationship with their spouse.

Wtf game am I playing?



Slimebeast on 23 April 2009
nojustno said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle and the rest of you liberals. You who call yourself so moral and justful and say everyone should be equal, traditional values must be broken and stuff - what right do you have to eat animals?

Exactly. You're just like a racist. And hypocrite too.

 

Umm, you should know you're talking to a vegetarian... Please get off the fail train.

 

 Good! But yet you don't see the point??

I'm not a hypocite nor a racist. I hold everyone to the same standard as me.

So I do not see your point.

 

I do not.

 

 It's a greater injustice to eat animals like cows and pigs, than to deny homosexuals to marry - don't you agree?

But i dont see you attacking your liberal peers by calling them ignorant, unjust, bigot, illogical and brain washed for eating animals.

 

 

Well, you might see me calling them those things if they said that we should be allowed to eat animals because it's a sacred tradition. But they don't do that, they have a very clear line of logic.

Eating animals is logical. They taste good, they are nutritious, and eating already dead meat does not harm anything. The only thing that is wrong is buying the meat and thus supporting the meat industry.

Even though buying meat, and thus supporting slaughter, is evil, I understand FULLY their viewpoint.

But I cannot understand the viewpoint of people who are against gay marriage. With anti-gay marriage people, they have no logic, all they have are logical fallacies that try to appeal to tradition, a sense of sacredness, or authority.

I respect meat eater logic more than anti-gay-marriage logic, as people who are against gay marriage have no logic.

Meat eater logic: Meat tastes good, so I eat it(and thus support slaughter)

That, even though it's messed up and wrong, it is logical. If animals aren't slaughtered and sold, people won't get their meat. There's an actual negative effect on the individual.

Anti-gay-marriage logic: Marriage is sacred/tradition/against god, so gays should not be allowed to.

That is not logical. If gay marriages are allowed, it won't do any harm to the individuals marriage to their spouse. There is no logic in saying that gay marriage will reduce the sacredness, or tarnish the tradition, because sacredness is a meaningless word, and traditions don't dictate what's best for future generations should do.

There's no reason why gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, marriage isn't sacred, it's a social contract like any other.


I thought u were more intelligent than this.

So just because it's logical, it's okay? That's a very weak defense. You see, saying:

"Meat tastes good, so I eat it"
is logically equal to saying:
"jews are ugly, so I gass them"

Horrible comparison. Gassing jews kills jewish people, where as eating meat only puts already dead meat into your body, and causes no harm to any living thing.

There's NOTHING wrong with eating meat. At all. Only buying meat and slaughtering animals is wrong.

For example, you buy a cheeseburger, you're supporting the meat industry.

Someone else buys you a cheeseburger(without you asking them to), you are not supporting the meat industry.

 

You shouldn't have given him a response for that ludicrous post. I even reported him for it, it's THAT ridiculous.

 

Again the comparisons these people make -_-

 


Stay out of it. You dont even understand what we're discussing.

I disproved Wessle's case by using two subjective statements and comparing them, the exact point was to show how ridiculous it can get when u appeal to subjectivity.

 



WessleWoggle on 23 April 2009
Slimebeast said:
nojustno said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle and the rest of you liberals. You who call yourself so moral and justful and say everyone should be equal, traditional values must be broken and stuff - what right do you have to eat animals?

Exactly. You're just like a racist. And hypocrite too.

 

Umm, you should know you're talking to a vegetarian... Please get off the fail train.

 

 Good! But yet you don't see the point??

I'm not a hypocite nor a racist. I hold everyone to the same standard as me.

So I do not see your point.

 

I do not.

 

 It's a greater injustice to eat animals like cows and pigs, than to deny homosexuals to marry - don't you agree?

But i dont see you attacking your liberal peers by calling them ignorant, unjust, bigot, illogical and brain washed for eating animals.

 

 

Well, you might see me calling them those things if they said that we should be allowed to eat animals because it's a sacred tradition. But they don't do that, they have a very clear line of logic.

Eating animals is logical. They taste good, they are nutritious, and eating already dead meat does not harm anything. The only thing that is wrong is buying the meat and thus supporting the meat industry.

Even though buying meat, and thus supporting slaughter, is evil, I understand FULLY their viewpoint.

But I cannot understand the viewpoint of people who are against gay marriage. With anti-gay marriage people, they have no logic, all they have are logical fallacies that try to appeal to tradition, a sense of sacredness, or authority.

I respect meat eater logic more than anti-gay-marriage logic, as people who are against gay marriage have no logic.

Meat eater logic: Meat tastes good, so I eat it(and thus support slaughter)

That, even though it's messed up and wrong, it is logical. If animals aren't slaughtered and sold, people won't get their meat. There's an actual negative effect on the individual.

Anti-gay-marriage logic: Marriage is sacred/tradition/against god, so gays should not be allowed to.

That is not logical. If gay marriages are allowed, it won't do any harm to the individuals marriage to their spouse. There is no logic in saying that gay marriage will reduce the sacredness, or tarnish the tradition, because sacredness is a meaningless word, and traditions don't dictate what's best for future generations should do.

There's no reason why gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, marriage isn't sacred, it's a social contract like any other.


I thought u were more intelligent than this.

So just because it's logical, it's okay? That's a very weak defense. You see, saying:

"Meat tastes good, so I eat it"
is logically equal to saying:
"jews are ugly, so I gass them"

Horrible comparison. Gassing jews kills jewish people, where as eating meat only puts already dead meat into your body, and causes no harm to any living thing.

There's NOTHING wrong with eating meat. At all. Only buying meat and slaughtering animals is wrong.

For example, you buy a cheeseburger, you're supporting the meat industry.

Someone else buys you a cheeseburger(without you asking them to), you are not supporting the meat industry.

 

You shouldn't have given him a response for that ludicrous post. I even reported him for it, it's THAT ridiculous.

 

Again the comparisons these people make -_-

 


Stay out of it. You dont even understand what we're discussing.

I disproved Wessle's case by using two subjective statements and comparing them, the exact point was to show how ridiculous it can get when u appeal to subjectivity.

 

You didn't do anything but prove you know how to use the faulty comparison fallacy.

 



nojustno on 23 April 2009
Slimebeast said:
nojustno said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle and the rest of you liberals. You who call yourself so moral and justful and say everyone should be equal, traditional values must be broken and stuff - what right do you have to eat animals?

Exactly. You're just like a racist. And hypocrite too.

 

Umm, you should know you're talking to a vegetarian... Please get off the fail train.

 

 Good! But yet you don't see the point??

I'm not a hypocite nor a racist. I hold everyone to the same standard as me.

So I do not see your point.

 

I do not.

 

 It's a greater injustice to eat animals like cows and pigs, than to deny homosexuals to marry - don't you agree?

But i dont see you attacking your liberal peers by calling them ignorant, unjust, bigot, illogical and brain washed for eating animals.

 

 

Well, you might see me calling them those things if they said that we should be allowed to eat animals because it's a sacred tradition. But they don't do that, they have a very clear line of logic.

Eating animals is logical. They taste good, they are nutritious, and eating already dead meat does not harm anything. The only thing that is wrong is buying the meat and thus supporting the meat industry.

Even though buying meat, and thus supporting slaughter, is evil, I understand FULLY their viewpoint.

But I cannot understand the viewpoint of people who are against gay marriage. With anti-gay marriage people, they have no logic, all they have are logical fallacies that try to appeal to tradition, a sense of sacredness, or authority.

I respect meat eater logic more than anti-gay-marriage logic, as people who are against gay marriage have no logic.

Meat eater logic: Meat tastes good, so I eat it(and thus support slaughter)

That, even though it's messed up and wrong, it is logical. If animals aren't slaughtered and sold, people won't get their meat. There's an actual negative effect on the individual.

Anti-gay-marriage logic: Marriage is sacred/tradition/against god, so gays should not be allowed to.

That is not logical. If gay marriages are allowed, it won't do any harm to the individuals marriage to their spouse. There is no logic in saying that gay marriage will reduce the sacredness, or tarnish the tradition, because sacredness is a meaningless word, and traditions don't dictate what's best for future generations should do.

There's no reason why gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, marriage isn't sacred, it's a social contract like any other.


I thought u were more intelligent than this.

So just because it's logical, it's okay? That's a very weak defense. You see, saying:

"Meat tastes good, so I eat it"
is logically equal to saying:
"jews are ugly, so I gass them"

Horrible comparison. Gassing jews kills jewish people, where as eating meat only puts already dead meat into your body, and causes no harm to any living thing.

There's NOTHING wrong with eating meat. At all. Only buying meat and slaughtering animals is wrong.

For example, you buy a cheeseburger, you're supporting the meat industry.

Someone else buys you a cheeseburger(without you asking them to), you are not supporting the meat industry.

 

You shouldn't have given him a response for that ludicrous post. I even reported him for it, it's THAT ridiculous.

 

Again the comparisons these people make -_-

 


Stay out of it. You dont even understand what we're discussing.

I disproved Wessle's case by using two subjective statements and comparing them, the exact point was to show how ridiculous it can get when u appeal to subjectivity.

 

WessleWoggle is doing an excellent job of owning you, so yeah I'll stay out of it. :)

 




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Slimebeast on 23 April 2009
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle and the rest of you liberals. You who call yourself so moral and justful and say everyone should be equal, traditional values must be broken and stuff - what right do you have to eat animals?

Exactly. You're just like a racist. And hypocrite too.

 

Umm, you should know you're talking to a vegetarian... Please get off the fail train.

 

 Good! But yet you don't see the point??

I'm not a hypocite nor a racist. I hold everyone to the same standard as me.

So I do not see your point.

 

I do not.

 

 It's a greater injustice to eat animals like cows and pigs, than to deny homosexuals to marry - don't you agree?

But i dont see you attacking your liberal peers by calling them ignorant, unjust, bigot, illogical and brain washed for eating animals.

 

 

Well, you might see me calling them those things if they said that we should be allowed to eat animals because it's a sacred tradition. But they don't do that, they have a very clear line of logic.

Eating animals is logical. They taste good, they are nutritious, and eating already dead meat does not harm anything. The only thing that is wrong is buying the meat and thus supporting the meat industry.

Even though buying meat, and thus supporting slaughter, is evil, I understand FULLY their viewpoint.

But I cannot understand the viewpoint of people who are against gay marriage. With anti-gay marriage people, they have no logic, all they have are logical fallacies that try to appeal to tradition, a sense of sacredness, or authority.

I respect meat eater logic more than anti-gay-marriage logic, as people who are against gay marriage have no logic.

Meat eater logic: Meat tastes good, so I eat it(and thus support slaughter)

That, even though it's messed up and wrong, it is logical. If animals aren't slaughtered and sold, people won't get their meat. There's an actual negative effect on the individual.

Anti-gay-marriage logic: Marriage is sacred/tradition/against god, so gays should not be allowed to.

That is not logical. If gay marriages are allowed, it won't do any harm to the individuals marriage to their spouse. There is no logic in saying that gay marriage will reduce the sacredness, or tarnish the tradition, because sacredness is a meaningless word, and traditions don't dictate what's best for future generations should do.

There's no reason why gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, marriage isn't sacred, it's a social contract like any other.


I thought u were more intelligent than this.

So just because it's logical, it's okay? That's a very weak defense. You see, saying:

"Meat tastes good, so I eat it"
is logically equal to saying:
"jews are ugly, so I gass them"

Horrible comparison. Gassing jews kills jewish people, where as eating meat only puts already dead meat into your body, and causes no harm to any living thing.

There's NOTHING wrong with eating meat. At all. Only buying meat and slaughtering animals is wrong.

For example, you buy a cheeseburger, you're supporting the meat industry.

Someone else buys you a cheeseburger(without you asking them to), you are not supporting the meat industry.

 

Are you just playing tricks? You yourself stated:

 Meat eater logic: Meat tastes good, so I eat it(and thus support slaughter)

 - see the last part 'and thus support slaughter'!

Of course supporting the meat industry/killing animals is implied when you're arguing against eating meat.

Stop playing games.

 

 

I wrote that wrong. I should have added "buy it" in that sentance. Sorry for the confusion.

Even if it's wrong, there's logic in buying and eating meat for those who do, there's no logic in those who deny gays the right to marry. It doesn't personally harm their relationship with their spouse.

Wtf game am I playing?

 

 Can we get back on track?

I said that appealing to something being okay just because it's logical, is a very weak defense.

Because saying (and justifying) "jews are ugly, so I gass them" is just as logical as saying "Meat tastes good, so I eat/buy it", but it still doesnt make it any right in any way.

Which brings it back to my point:

you should attack other liberals for eating meat, and be aware that it's worse to eat/buy meat and thereby support animal killing, than to deny homosexuals to marry.

You cant argue that it's more right, just because you feel it's more logical.



Slimebeast on 23 April 2009

WessleWoggle you're just being dishonest here.

Ask yourself honestly:

Why is it that your holy anger rises when Bible bashers are against gay marriage, but it doesn't when liberals are justifying their discrimination against meat cows?
(knowing that it's a greater injustice to kill an animal that doesnt want to be killed, than to deny a gay person to marry)



WessleWoggle on 23 April 2009
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle said:
Slimebeast said:
WessleWoggle and the rest of you liberals. You who call yourself so moral and justful and say everyone should be equal, traditional values must be broken and stuff - what right do you have to eat animals?

Exactly. You're just like a racist. And hypocrite too.

 

Umm, you should know you're talking to a vegetarian... Please get off the fail train.

 

 Good! But yet you don't see the point??

I'm not a hypocite nor a racist. I hold everyone to the same standard as me.

So I do not see your point.

 

I do not.

 

 It's a greater injustice to eat animals like cows and pigs, than to deny homosexuals to marry - don't you agree?

But i dont see you attacking your liberal peers by calling them ignorant, unjust, bigot, illogical and brain washed for eating animals.

 

 

Well, you might see me calling them those things if they said that we should be allowed to eat animals because it's a sacred tradition. But they don't do that, they have a very clear line of logic.

Eating animals is logical. They taste good, they are nutritious, and eating already dead meat does not harm anything. The only thing that is wrong is buying the meat and thus supporting the meat industry.

Even though buying meat, and thus supporting slaughter, is evil, I understand FULLY their viewpoint.

But I cannot understand the viewpoint of people who are against gay marriage. With anti-gay marriage people, they have no logic, all they have are logical fallacies that try to appeal to tradition, a sense of sacredness, or authority.

I respect meat eater logic more than anti-gay-marriage logic, as people who are against gay marriage have no logic.

Meat eater logic: Meat tastes good, so I eat it(and thus support slaughter)

That, even though it's messed up and wrong, it is logical. If animals aren't slaughtered and sold, people won't get their meat. There's an actual negative effect on the individual.

Anti-gay-marriage logic: Marriage is sacred/tradition/against god, so gays should not be allowed to.

That is not logical. If gay marriages are allowed, it won't do any harm to the individuals marriage to their spouse. There is no logic in saying that gay marriage will reduce the sacredness, or tarnish the tradition, because sacredness is a meaningless word, and traditions don't dictate what's best for future generations should do.

There's no reason why gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, marriage isn't sacred, it's a social contract like any other.


I thought u were more intelligent than this.

So just because it's logical, it's okay? That's a very weak defense. You see, saying:

"Meat tastes good, so I eat it"
is logically equal to saying:
"jews are ugly, so I gass them"

Horrible comparison. Gassing jews kills jewish people, where as eating meat only puts already dead meat into your body, and causes no harm to any living thing.

There's NOTHING wrong with eating meat. At all. Only buying meat and slaughtering animals is wrong.

For example, you buy a cheeseburger, you're supporting the meat industry.

Someone else buys you a cheeseburger(without you asking them to), you are not supporting the meat industry.

 

Are you just playing tricks? You yourself stated:

 Meat eater logic: Meat tastes good, so I eat it(and thus support slaughter)

 - see the last part 'and thus support slaughter'!

Of course supporting the meat industry/killing animals is implied when you're arguing against eating meat.

Stop playing games.

 

 

I wrote that wrong. I should have added "buy it" in that sentance. Sorry for the confusion.

Even if it's wrong, there's logic in buying and eating meat for those who do, there's no logic in those who deny gays the right to marry. It doesn't personally harm their relationship with their spouse.

Wtf game am I playing?

 

 Can we get back on track?

I said that appealing to something being okay just because it's logical, is a very weak defense.

Because saying "jews are ugly, so I gass them" is just as logical as saying "Meat tastes good, so I eat/buy it", but it still doesnt make it any right in any way.

Which brings it back to my point:

you should attack other liberals for eating meat, and be aware that it's worse to eat/buy meat and thereby support animal killing, than to deny homosexuals to marry.

You cant argue that it's more right, just because you feel it's more logical.

Logic is the best measuring tool we have for deciding what's right and wrong.

Your comparison is not as logical, because logically, killing jews does A LOT more harm than just eating some meat. Harm is wrong, doing wrong things is illogical. Eating already dead meat is logical because it tastes good, and it doesn't harm anything. Killing jews because you think they're ugly is not logical, because it causes LOTS of harm.

You're using a faulty comparison, that is a logical fallacy.

Logic is the ONLY thing I can use to argue what's more right.  What else do I have to argue with?

I do attack liberals for buying meat, BUT THAT'S NOT THIS THREADS TOPIC.



WessleWoggle on 23 April 2009
Slimebeast said:

WessleWoggle you're just being dishonest here.

Ask yourself honestly:

Why is it that your holy anger rises when Bible bashers are against gay marriage, but it doesn't when liberals are justifying their discrimination against meat cows?
(knowing that it's a greater injustice to kill an animal that doesnt want to be killed, than to deny a gay person to marry)

I get angry at both things, but it's not the threads topic, as I said it my last post.

I am being 100% honest in everything I say here.

 



TruckOSaurus on 23 April 2009

Okay, I didn't read the entire thread (who could blame me really) but I think what she meant to say was actually right but she didn't express herself in the most eloquent way.

What I think she was getting at is : I think it's okay that gay and str8 people can both have access to marriage but I personally believe marriage should be between a man and a woman.

I don't have any problem with this stance because she didn't say that gay people shoudn't be allowed to marry and that she will not rest until every gay marriage has been declared void.



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