Yes, some can choose that they don't want any insurance at all, very true. However, I doubt those people are in the majority, and even the bum on the street could tell you that being able to get teated when sick is the most important thing a person needs outside of food and shelter (in modern times at least). Either it's a cost issue, or an outight issue of stupidity. In which case I guess it's fine if they don't have insurance and die off, less stupid genes to run amok in society.

Michael Moore does stick to the facts... But only the ones he wants you to hear. But still the guy is 100% entertainment, which is the point at the end of the day lol.

OT: Hmmm, I think we have strayed from the point of the thread somewhere.

He doesn't really stick to the facts though.

Personally I think "Entertainment documentries" are the worst thing that have ever happened to documentries.

I mean if people want to make shit up and confuse issues.  That's what regular movies are for.

It's like those stupid made up news caster commercials bush ran.  (Or whoever ran them anyway.)

The idea of an entertainemnt documentary isn't really to get facts though, it is entertainment. To be hosent you wouldn have to be blind and deaf to not realise that half the stuff in entertainment documentaries shouldn't be taken seriously.

That said, I do enjoy them.

But I prefer real documetaries though lol.

The problem is that some people take Moore's work as legitimate, and run with it. That's the issue. For all we know, IHeartNintendo thinks Spinal Tap is still touring the US in selected venues.

The issue is that entertainment-documentaries that are presented as documentaries take away from legitimate ones, and water down what good they provide. Moore is the worst example of that. At least we all knew Marty DiBergi wasn't quite legitimate.

See "I heart Nintendo's" last post...

I wouldn't say he was blind and deaf. 

It's just... people want to believe what they want to believe.  That's one of the worst things about the internet as well... unlike here... lots of places are breeding grounds for a singluar viewpoint which is reenforced by validation no matter how crazy said belief is.  It only takes a handful of people across the world now to keep an idea alive... and not all ideas are good ones.  That's another topic for another day though.

To me... entertainment documentries are the equivlent of a fanboy forum post.

A bum on the street would be covered by Medicaid.

The problem is... with the old saying "They act like they're immortal."

Healthcare isn't a concern... until you need it.  Neither are things like car insurance and retirement funds.  Which is why the government forces you to put money in those things.

Such a system is good.  But it can't work in the US like it does in other countries.  There are faaar to many factors.

For example... just how our political system works.  Medicaid doesn't work... becaue partisian politics play into the governments "payment methods".  Groups that support the party in power get a good deal.  Ones who don't get screwed... etc.

If people just thought a little differently... most of these people would restructure how they live to pay for healthare.  The problem is people making 50,000 a year living check by check.   It shouldn't happen!

That... and possible removing he "wealth" clause in medicaid would take care of pretty much everything.  There being  a wealth clause in Medicaid and that's why some poor people don't get treatment.  If you can't afford healthcare because of your income, but own a house worth $60,000+... the government doesn't want to hear it basically.

Agreed, so tax them for their own good basically and make a proper healthcare system. I agree with the Wealth thing as well. The system is broken, but I doubt forcing people to have isurance (kinda like cars, but a lot worse) will do much.

See.  I'm fundamentally against taxing people for their own good.  I think people have a right to be as stupid as they want to be.  I'm more interested in universal healthcare simply because... healthcare hurts US buisnesses.

Also... the way the government works.  I don't believe government run healthcare would run smoother then the US' current system.

We need to come up with a system of healthcare that would take the politics out of it... some sort of bidding system or credit towards purchasing insurance... or something.

If government was given the ability to set prices.  They'd probably just use it to give their friends reason to give them some of that money back.

As long as the money comes from the government, I really don't care how its dealt with. As long as it's efficient too, of course. Can't spend the most and be so low on the list you know? I can udnersand spending a bit for logistics and all, but not 1st and 37th.