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Kantor on 23 April 2009

I read the thread title as "Two Al Qaeda Leaders Wakeboarded 266 Times"

I was thinking "Wow, hip young Al Qaeda leaders..."



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TheRealMafoo on 23 April 2009
The Ghost of RubangB said:

On September 11th, 2001, over 35,000 people starved to death.  In a single day.  And it's happened every day since.

Now we send Burger King to the 3rd world to do Big Mac vs. Whopper taste tests, to find out the real truth.

So I piss on terrorism AND car accidents combined.

 

Cool, so if I take out a dozen people in a bank heist, it’s basically like killing no one when compared to world statistics.

Thanks for showing me that it doesn’t matter if I kill them. Piss on dead bank tellers.



halogamer1989 on 23 April 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:

On September 11th, 2001, over 35,000 people starved to death.  In a single day.  And it's happened every day since.

Now we send Burger King to the 3rd world to do Big Mac vs. Whopper taste tests, to find out the real truth.

So I piss on terrorism AND car accidents combined.

 

Cool, so if I take out a dozen people in a bank heist, it’s basically like killing no one when compared to world statistics.

Thanks for showing me that it doesn’t matter if I kill them. Piss on dead bank tellers.

He takes this ideaology to heart: "One death is a tragedy.  A million is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin

 



akuma587 on 23 April 2009
halogamer1989 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:

On September 11th, 2001, over 35,000 people starved to death.  In a single day.  And it's happened every day since.

Now we send Burger King to the 3rd world to do Big Mac vs. Whopper taste tests, to find out the real truth.

So I piss on terrorism AND car accidents combined.

 

Cool, so if I take out a dozen people in a bank heist, it’s basically like killing no one when compared to world statistics.

Thanks for showing me that it doesn’t matter if I kill them. Piss on dead bank tellers.

He takes this ideaology to heart: "One death is a tragedy.  A million is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin

 

Stalin was actually right for the most part.  How the hell do you think he got away with killing so many people?  Just because Stalin said it doesn't mean it isn't true.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Vetteman94 on 23 April 2009

Personally I find this amusing and I think they should be waterboarded for another 266 times. Because as far as I'm concerned these people have no rights because of the crimes they have committed. Keep up the good work on the interrogating people.



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Rpruett on 23 April 2009
akuma587 said:
halogamer1989 said:
akuma587 said:
The fact is that the Founding Fathers didn't distinguish between citizens and non-citizens in the relevant rights in the Bill of Rights. I don't see any words in there that say you have to be a citizen of the United States to qualify.

Eighth Amendment

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

Fifth Amendment

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

I would say we are at war and are in a time of public danger.

 

When is the last time we had an attack on American soil?  2001? How do you think they defined War back then?  You can't just define war however you want.  There is no evidence that suggests they would have considered our current situation to be a war.

We are always in danger.  There were more terrorist attacks on American soil in the 90's than there have been in the 2000's.  You can't just throw away the Constitution because of perceived threats.

 

You can worm your way around war.

You can't worm your way around .....  (or public danger).

With people trying to take bombs onto airplanes.  Killing thousands of innocent civilians and attempting to take an entire industry down in the process.  I would say there is great public danger in terrorists doing what they please.  Perceived threats?  There are plenty of 'real threats' against us every single day.

 

Edit : I wonder why there was more terrorist attacks on US soil in the 90s than in the 2000s? 

 

 



Rpruett on 23 April 2009
akuma587 said:

"Terrorism" has been around for centuries. What do you think a lot of the revolutionaries did to the British? What do you think Guy Fawkes day is about? What do you think coup d'etats essentially were when ever the government is overthrown? We just freak out about it much more today than they did, and justifiably so to some degree if nukes are involved.

Well correct me if I'm wrong...But what did the British and those Revolutionaries end up having?  The acts of those revolutionaries led to a war.

 

 

But look at it this way. About 3000 people died during 9/11. In that same year, 42,611 people died in car accidents. Yet we waged a multi-trillion dollar war about one and don't even bat an eye at the other. Isn't that kind of ludicrous if you step back and think about it?

Lets say a plane crashes and everyone on board dies. If it was the fault of the pilot, people will forget about the story next week. If a terrorist caused it, people would be shitting themselves for months and maybe years. I think in terms of the actual risk terrorists pose that we worry far too much about them. We allow them to change our way of life when the risk they pose in even a lot of the most extreme circumstances is not that great if you quantify it in terms of the loss of human life.

Car accident numbers:

http://www.unitedjustice.com/death-statistics.html

 

 

You are comparing apples and oranges.  Accidental deaths versus Murder of innocent people?  Great points.   Accidental deaths are sad stories.  Cold blooded murder?   That's an entirely different issue that sparks totally different responses and rightfully so.

 

 

 



akuma587 on 23 April 2009
Vetteman94 said:
Personally I find this amusing and I think they should be waterboarded for another 266 times. Because as far as I'm concerned these people have no rights because of the crimes they have committed. Keep up the good work on the interrogating people.

Innocent before proven guilty?  And even if they are guilty doesn't mean they lose their rights.  Its scary how all of you claim we need to protect this country's values but are willing to throw away the values that actually matter to do so.

Its like Rubang so aptly put it earlier.  You can't secede from the Union to protect the Union.  You can't throw away the Constitution to protect the Constitution.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 on 23 April 2009
Rpruett said:
akuma587 said:

"Terrorism" has been around for centuries. What do you think a lot of the revolutionaries did to the British? What do you think Guy Fawkes day is about? What do you think coup d'etats essentially were when ever the government is overthrown? We just freak out about it much more today than they did, and justifiably so to some degree if nukes are involved.

Well correct me if I'm wrong...But what did the British and those Revolutionaries end up having?  The acts of those revolutionaries led to a war.

 

 

But look at it this way. About 3000 people died during 9/11. In that same year, 42,611 people died in car accidents. Yet we waged a multi-trillion dollar war about one and don't even bat an eye at the other. Isn't that kind of ludicrous if you step back and think about it?

Lets say a plane crashes and everyone on board dies. If it was the fault of the pilot, people will forget about the story next week. If a terrorist caused it, people would be shitting themselves for months and maybe years. I think in terms of the actual risk terrorists pose that we worry far too much about them. We allow them to change our way of life when the risk they pose in even a lot of the most extreme circumstances is not that great if you quantify it in terms of the loss of human life.

Car accident numbers:

http://www.unitedjustice.com/death-statistics.html

 

 

You are comparing apples and oranges.  Accidental deaths versus Murder of innocent people?  Great points.   Accidental deaths are sad stories.  Cold blooded murder?   That's an entirely different issue that sparks totally different responses and rightfully so.

 

 

 

Why is one worth trillions of dollars and the other is not?

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 on 23 April 2009
Rpruett said:

You can worm your way around war.

You can't worm your way around .....  (or public danger).

With people trying to take bombs onto airplanes.  Killing thousands of innocent civilians and attempting to take an entire industry down in the process.  I would say there is great public danger in terrorists doing what they please.  Perceived threats?  There are plenty of 'real threats' against us every single day.

 

Edit : I wonder why there was more terrorist attacks on US soil in the 90s than in the 2000s? 

 

 

Yeah, Bush did such a great job stopping terrorism (if you don't count the largest attack on the American mainland in the past century).  He certainly didn't have any memos on his desk or other warnings that a terrorist attack was imminent.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson