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papflesje on 20 April 2009
gebx said:
papflesje said:
gebx said:
Squall_Leonhart said:
blackstar said:
SCEA stands for what?

Sony Computer Entertainment America

I honestly don't know what gebx has against the PS3 and Sony... Everytime he comes out of the 'woodwork' it is to post negative news about the PS3 and/or Sony... It is pretty sad really!

 

 

But am I wrong?

And Squall.. when was the last time you created a thread about positive 360 news? Same with all those complaining about my posts.. when have any of you created a thread about positive news on the 360.

Stop being hypocrites, go spam somewhere else.

 

I don't post news about any console, and react negatively to the things I dislike about Sony in the same way I react positively to the things I like about the 360. So you can stop calling me a hypocrite, thank you very much. Again: it's not whether you are right or wrong, just that you show your bias. Nothing wrong with posting news about a certain console, unless you merely do it to damage its perception. Because that's basically why you post it.

 

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.. your repeating what I stated in my opening thread!! - "I'm a 360 fanboy, I know it, but that doesn't make these numbers and/or statements above wrong" I've declared from the get go.. I'm not hiding anything.

 

 

You say I'm damaging "it's perception"and your partially correct. The perception is that Killzone 2 did better than what it truly did. If you want to stay blind when sales numbers don't match than by all means stay out of this thread. The numbers looked off, I did research and posted my thoughts.

 

And I say this even after replying to WiiStaton360's mention of bundles. It could be the reason for the discrep and both SCEA and VGC could be right.

 

Okay, I'll bite =)


First off, there are plenty of 360 fans here that don't care about the PS3 or that even say "wow, that's a nice game" or "Wish that came to the 360" and things like that, and leave it at that.

 

I think we could fit you in the subcategory of the 360-fans (although not restricted to 360 fans), namely the anti-ps3 fan.
You seem to thrive whenever something bad occurs or potentially bad occurs for the ps3. I don't know what gain you get from doing so, but it seems to please you that a console is doing lousily. You have your reasons apparently, and I don't care whether they are justified or not, since you are entitled to your reasons.

 

Admitting that you are doing this (albeit partially) is commendable, but still doesn't change the fact that it's purely for damaging sakes. Killzone 2 is one of Sony's flagship titles, it got good reviews and apparently a lot of people are enjoying its online features. It didn't do GeoW numbers and many 360 fanboys have rubbed that in already. For the online, Halo 3 gets thrown into the mix. So Killzone 2 has gotten its fair share of bashing already. Add in the "ahahahaha, low first week sales, LOL" and Killzone 2 is probably the most mocked title of 2009 so far. Seeing your infatuation with everything lousy about the PS3, it would surprise me tremendously if you didn't know about the Killzone 2 bundles. But hey, as you wish, the answer of bundles offered you a way to get out of this thread relatively unscathed.

Go enjoy your xbox 360, ignore PS3 fanboys (as we try to do) and live and let live.

 

 



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johnsobas on 20 April 2009
snyperdud said:
I believe SCEA was saying the 1 million sold remake in accordance to the amount sold to retailers in America.

At least thats what makes the most sense to me.

You may want it to be that, but the quote specifically states 1 million sold WW, yet we have tons of people coming in here saying it isn't WW.

 



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SleepWaking on 20 April 2009

gebx I haven't really got problems with you posting negative PS3 news, I've got more problems with the people moaning about it but isn't it obvious they meant 1 million sold to retailers in America? If you use all your logic and see that it almost sold 200k in the UK and the percentage of hardcore games sold in the Us versus EU for the PS3 clearly you must admit that is the most likely explanation. Not the mention the game was made in the Europe, causing for more sales to be here. (it was even on the news that the game was coming out here).

 

Edit: eh if Johnsobas is right forget this post



gebx on 20 April 2009
Feylic said:
DMeisterJ said:
1.4 million is > 1 million last I recalled... I mean, it's been a while since high-school, but I do recall that.

Let me do some research and I'll get back to you on that one :d

 

 

I'll tell you why that is unlikely

if your Sony's PR guy.. would you tell the world that Killzone 2 sold 1 million or 1.4 million?

Also, why wouldn't Sony reveal that number sooner? Why wait so late to announce that it sold over 1 million copies?

 



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makingmusic476 on 20 April 2009
WiiStation360 said:

I would assume the ratio of Others/NA sales for KZ2 should be similar to other recent harcore games.

Lets compare the 1st 7 week sales America vs Others for recent PS3 hardcore games:

Resistance 2:
- America: 585k (53%)
- Others: 508k(47%)

CoD: WaW
- America: 1,290k (54%)
- Others: 1,100k (46%)

Resident Evil 5
- America: 628kk (47%)
- Others: 712kk (53%)

Gebx estimated for Killzone2
- America: 710k (65%)
- Others: 390k (35%)

There are 1.8M more PS3 consoles in Others than Americas, and they have a recent history of buying a similar number of copies of high profile hardcore games.  They also have a KZ2 hardware bundle as well.  Why would KZ2 numbers be half of American numbers?

 

 

Not to mention Killzone 2 was advertised far more heavily in Europe than in NA (they were painting the sides of buildings and showing trailers at movie theaters) and the original Killzone sold a good bit better in Europe than in NA.



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damndl0ser on 20 April 2009
papflesje said:
gebx said:
papflesje said:
gebx said:
Squall_Leonhart said:
blackstar said:
SCEA stands for what?

Sony Computer Entertainment America

I honestly don't know what gebx has against the PS3 and Sony... Everytime he comes out of the 'woodwork' it is to post negative news about the PS3 and/or Sony... It is pretty sad really!

 

 

But am I wrong?

And Squall.. when was the last time you created a thread about positive 360 news? Same with all those complaining about my posts.. when have any of you created a thread about positive news on the 360.

Stop being hypocrites, go spam somewhere else.

 

I don't post news about any console, and react negatively to the things I dislike about Sony in the same way I react positively to the things I like about the 360. So you can stop calling me a hypocrite, thank you very much. Again: it's not whether you are right or wrong, just that you show your bias. Nothing wrong with posting news about a certain console, unless you merely do it to damage its perception. Because that's basically why you post it.

 

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.. your repeating what I stated in my opening thread!! - "I'm a 360 fanboy, I know it, but that doesn't make these numbers and/or statements above wrong" I've declared from the get go.. I'm not hiding anything.

 

 

You say I'm damaging "it's perception"and your partially correct. The perception is that Killzone 2 did better than what it truly did. If you want to stay blind when sales numbers don't match than by all means stay out of this thread. The numbers looked off, I did research and posted my thoughts.

 

And I say this even after replying to WiiStaton360's mention of bundles. It could be the reason for the discrep and both SCEA and VGC could be right.

 

Okay, I'll bite =)


First off, there are plenty of 360 fans here that don't care about the PS3 or that even say "wow, that's a nice game" or "Wish that came to the 360" and things like that, and leave it at that.

 

I think we could fit you in the subcategory of the 360-fans (although not restricted to 360 fans), namely the anti-ps3 fan.
You seem to thrive whenever something bad occurs or potentially bad occurs for the ps3. I don't know what gain you get from doing so, but it seems to please you that a console is doing lousily. You have your reasons apparently, and I don't care whether they are justified or not, since you are entitled to your reasons.

 

Admitting that you are doing this (albeit partially) is commendable, but still doesn't change the fact that it's purely for damaging sakes. Killzone 2 is one of Sony's flagship titles, it got good reviews and apparently a lot of people are enjoying its online features. It didn't do GeoW numbers and many 360 fanboys have rubbed that in already. For the online, Halo 3 gets thrown into the mix. So Killzone 2 has gotten its fair share of bashing already. Add in the "ahahahaha, low first week sales, LOL" and Killzone 2 is probably the most mocked title of 2009 so far. Seeing your infatuation with everything lousy about the PS3, it would surprise me tremendously if you didn't know about the Killzone 2 bundles. But hey, as you wish, the answer of bundles offered you a way to get out of this thread relatively unscathed.

Go enjoy your xbox 360, ignore PS3 fanboys (as we try to do) and live and let live.

 

 

 

There are plenty of people who do the same thing against the Xbox 360 and Wii as well.  After all this is a forum and it will never change ( unless mods start banning people for the smallest offense ).   I never saw one thing in the OP that really damaged anything Sony has done.  It may have pissed off some Sony/KZ2 fans pride, but show me anything that the OP said that was unkind or blatantly wrong?  

Different opinions are what keep these forums fun for me and if we all thought exactly the same thing I guess I would be some where else.

 



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makingmusic476 on 20 April 2009
gebx said:
Feylic said:
DMeisterJ said:
1.4 million is > 1 million last I recalled... I mean, it's been a while since high-school, but I do recall that.

Let me do some research and I'll get back to you on that one :d

 

 

I'll tell you why that is unlikely

if your Sony's PR guy.. would you tell the world that Killzone 2 sold 1 million or 1.4 million?

Also, why wouldn't Sony reveal that number sooner? Why wait so late to announce that it sold over 1 million copies?

 

 

How would Sony know that 1.4 million figure to brag about it?  They don't use VGChartz numbers, and they don't track sales-to-consumers themselves.  All they have to go on is NPD and the sprinkling of European charts out there.  They probably have a rough guestimation that the total sales-to-consumer are north of a million, and thus that's what the say.



Lostplanet22 on 20 April 2009

Sorry Gebx but I have to agree with papflesje. I don't really mind that you open threads like this, I just wished you would spend more time on the Xbox 360 board and forget the PS3 board. If you like to be hated that is fine for me but the Xbox 360 could use more activity;



 

papflesje on 20 April 2009

@ damned: check the threads of people that continuously bash another console every chance they get, they get the same responses as what Gebx is getting. I didn't say he was wrong (check my first post in this thread). It's just the "you reap what you sow"-effect.



Jinova on 20 April 2009

Gebx, seriously, why do you even care???



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