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Zizzla_Rachet on 17 April 2009
Riachu said:
Slimebeast said:
WRPG is by far the best gaming genre of them all. JRPGs on the other hand belongs to one of the worst.

Stop putting a genre that actually has decent games in the lowest level on par with games like Dynasty Warriors.  Now that is what I call a bad genre.

 

 

Dyynasty Warriors was an RPG?....And dont Front that was a big seller for PS2.....but it finally died



 



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Riachu on 17 April 2009
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Riachu said:
Slimebeast said:
WRPG is by far the best gaming genre of them all. JRPGs on the other hand belongs to one of the worst.

Stop putting a genre that actually has decent games in the lowest level on par with games like Dynasty Warriors.  Now that is what I call a bad genre.

 

 

Dyynasty Warriors was an RPG?....And dont Front that was a big seller for PS2.....but it finally died

 

No, I am saying that the genre Dynasty Warriors is in is probably one of my least favorite whereas JRPGs still produce decent games.



 

http://www.youtube.com/user/InvaderZimGuy1?feature=mhum

S.T.A.G.E. on 17 April 2009
Jo21 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
outlawauron said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
outlawauron said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:

ugh no.

JRPG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>every other gender> WRPG.
IMO!

their storyline suck and too mixed up with FPS. seriously mass effect and fable 2 main selling point was there was sex scene.

i would care about any other gender RPG. it's blasphemy.

and the focus on open world, no character leave you with no one to remenber , empty ending. (fallout3)

This post is hilarious!....seriously...for the credibility's sake, you're joking right?

I agree with him! WRPGs still aren't as good as JRPGs.

In your undying agreement, there is nothing factual about his post. It seriously is a joke.

It's his opinion. He can think that Fallout had an empty ending and that WRPG stories suck.

 

 

I have no problem with his opinion, which is him thinking JRPG's are better; however, his remarks are slanderous. That....is the joke.

i agree they are too general, but they are the bitter feeling wrpg have leave me, the joke it's WRPG. i find it as a insult to the RPG gender in my opinion

The Swinger -5g
Take part in a orgy, responsibly

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-182248.aspx

about not a single one, have character or villian to remenber, there is not sephiroth (even if people thing it's overrated) or cloud, or aeris death.

 

 If you want to take part in an orgy that is your decision. The devs who create these games leave the choices strictly to you, for it is your story, but within another characters shoes. You don't have to take part in it. You are acknowledging its existence, but you are acting like it's a linear game much like JRPG's where you don't have too much control anyway as far as the outcome is concerned. If JRPG's included sex, there is no way they could escape the shame....because you see...there is lack of choice.

Mass Effect 2 will carry on your own unique saves from the original Mass Effect, so everything you've achieved in the galaxy will still be valid in the next chapter of the game. This is why so many who played the original are frothing at the mouth for the next game.

but RPG are story driven games, how character interact with other, their reactions and they emotions they feel, thats where those games get their cult following.

having orgies as archivement, empty endings, lack of emotion in characters kills that completely. there is nothing to remenber, no memories to hold off.

lack of choice depending of what choice, they are different kinds of choice, you are generally given choice to adapt your characters in gameplay

EDIT: cloud big sword it's not ridiculous it have a story behind it  and who give it to him and why it's so important

spoiler

the sword was a family treasure very valuble to angelus one of the shinra top soldiers, but his family didn't have money to they worked hard to use it, that why he never try to use it in battle unless it's something important since it require alot of work to get it, angelus when he died gave it to zack, and zack gave it to cloud when he died, thats why it's so important!

 

 

RPG's are story driven games. Yes...any adventure or RPG game with characters should have an exceptional story. This is what holds the game itself together. Role playing games are a western concepts based off of games like Dungeons and Dragons (R.I.P to the creators), where you are given control of your character and go off to adventure in an open ended manner, facing off against characters in that world and building your characters attributes. You attack characters based on a points system, usually in turns; however, there is a growing demand for non-turnbased gameplay. With WRPG's you mold the story based on your own decisions. In WRPG's emotions as you stated are respected to the fullest, because you make your own decisions. In JRPG's you follow suit and enjoy the story of that character which you are playing. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, i'm just telling it like it is. 

Having orgies as an achievement is something you can do if you want, as I said. How exactly are the endings empty? They have multiple endings which can end up good, bad or indifferent. It all depends on you, because you're playing the role. Basically, what you're arguing that following a linear storyboard is your preference. I have no problem with that myself, because I enjoy that just as much as having full control.

I never stated anything about Clouds sword. However, if an protagonist is worth a damn, he'll have a cool weapon anyway. It's not about the story of a sword, it's the reason he has it.



Jo21 on 17 April 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
outlawauron said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
outlawauron said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:

ugh no.

JRPG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>every other gender> WRPG.
IMO!

their storyline suck and too mixed up with FPS. seriously mass effect and fable 2 main selling point was there was sex scene.

i would care about any other gender RPG. it's blasphemy.

and the focus on open world, no character leave you with no one to remenber , empty ending. (fallout3)

This post is hilarious!....seriously...for the credibility's sake, you're joking right?

I agree with him! WRPGs still aren't as good as JRPGs.

In your undying agreement, there is nothing factual about his post. It seriously is a joke.

It's his opinion. He can think that Fallout had an empty ending and that WRPG stories suck.

 

 

I have no problem with his opinion, which is him thinking JRPG's are better; however, his remarks are slanderous. That....is the joke.

i agree they are too general, but they are the bitter feeling wrpg have leave me, the joke it's WRPG. i find it as a insult to the RPG gender in my opinion

The Swinger -5g
Take part in a orgy, responsibly

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-182248.aspx

about not a single one, have character or villian to remenber, there is not sephiroth (even if people thing it's overrated) or cloud, or aeris death.

 

 If you want to take part in an orgy that is your decision. The devs who create these games leave the choices strictly to you, for it is your story, but within another characters shoes. You don't have to take part in it. You are acknowledging its existence, but you are acting like it's a linear game much like JRPG's where you don't have too much control anyway as far as the outcome is concerned. If JRPG's included sex, there is no way they could escape the shame....because you see...there is lack of choice.

Mass Effect 2 will carry on your own unique saves from the original Mass Effect, so everything you've achieved in the galaxy will still be valid in the next chapter of the game. This is why so many who played the original are frothing at the mouth for the next game.

but RPG are story driven games, how character interact with other, their reactions and they emotions they feel, thats where those games get their cult following.

having orgies as archivement, empty endings, lack of emotion in characters kills that completely. there is nothing to remenber, no memories to hold off.

lack of choice depending of what choice, they are different kinds of choice, you are generally given choice to adapt your characters in gameplay

EDIT: cloud big sword it's not ridiculous it have a story behind it  and who give it to him and why it's so important

spoiler

the sword was a family treasure very valuble to angelus one of the shinra top soldiers, but his family didn't have money to they worked hard to use it, that why he never try to use it in battle unless it's something important since it require alot of work to get it, angelus when he died gave it to zack, and zack gave it to cloud when he died, thats why it's so important!

 

 

RPG's are story driven games. Yes...any adventure or RPG game with characters should have an exceptional story. This is what holds the game itself together. Role playing games are a western concepts based off of games like Dungeons and Dragons (R.I.P to the creators), where you are given control of your character and go off to adventure in an open ended manner, facing off against characters in that world and building your characters attributes. You attack characters based on a points system, usually in turns; however, there is a growing demand for non-turnbased gameplay. With WRPG's you mold the story based on your own decisions. In WRPG's emotions as you stated are respected to the fullest, because you make your own decisions. In JRPG's you follow suit and enjoy the story of that character which you are playing. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, i'm just telling it like it is. 

Having orgies as an achievement is something you can do if you want, as I said. How exactly are the endings empty? They have multiple endings which can end up good, bad or indifferent. It all depends on you, because you're playing the role. Basically what you're arguing that following a linear storyboard is choice. I have no problem with that myself, because I enjoy that just as much as having full control.

I never stated anything about Clouds sword. However, if an protagonist is worth a damn, he'll have a cool weapon anyway. It's not about the story of a sword, it's the reason he has it.

they still feel souless, even if jrpg are sometimes they are linear (in storyline not gameplay ) their story get told in better way, there is more deeper meaning and than in WRPG and have a bigger impact than any WRPG have managed.

i mean even FPS managed to do it right with bioshock and they did not require sex scenes to get people talking about it.

which sound really for a RPG like a marketing gimmick.

and about the ending even games like fallout 3 don't managed to get that impact JRPG have ,  even because they are not crafted to be a big ending but rather tons of small ones.

 



Zizzla_Rachet on 17 April 2009
Riachu said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Riachu said:
Slimebeast said:
WRPG is by far the best gaming genre of them all. JRPGs on the other hand belongs to one of the worst.

Stop putting a genre that actually has decent games in the lowest level on par with games like Dynasty Warriors.  Now that is what I call a bad genre.

 

 

Dyynasty Warriors was an RPG?....And dont Front that was a big seller for PS2.....but it finally died

 

No, I am saying that the genre Dynasty Warriors is in is probably one of my least favorite whereas JRPGs still produce decent games.

 

Just show them this

 



 



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Riachu on 17 April 2009
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Riachu said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Riachu said:
Slimebeast said:
WRPG is by far the best gaming genre of them all. JRPGs on the other hand belongs to one of the worst.

Stop putting a genre that actually has decent games in the lowest level on par with games like Dynasty Warriors.  Now that is what I call a bad genre.

 

 

Dyynasty Warriors was an RPG?....And dont Front that was a big seller for PS2.....but it finally died

 

No, I am saying that the genre Dynasty Warriors is in is probably one of my least favorite whereas JRPGs still produce decent games.

 

Just show them this

 

Xenogears is highly reagarded among the gaming community so showing them that will bring pleasent memories to them.

 



 

http://www.youtube.com/user/InvaderZimGuy1?feature=mhum

S.T.A.G.E. on 17 April 2009
Jo21 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
outlawauron said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
outlawauron said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:

ugh no.

JRPG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>every other gender> WRPG.
IMO!

their storyline suck and too mixed up with FPS. seriously mass effect and fable 2 main selling point was there was sex scene.

i would care about any other gender RPG. it's blasphemy.

and the focus on open world, no character leave you with no one to remenber , empty ending. (fallout3)

This post is hilarious!....seriously...for the credibility's sake, you're joking right?

I agree with him! WRPGs still aren't as good as JRPGs.

In your undying agreement, there is nothing factual about his post. It seriously is a joke.

It's his opinion. He can think that Fallout had an empty ending and that WRPG stories suck.

 

 

I have no problem with his opinion, which is him thinking JRPG's are better; however, his remarks are slanderous. That....is the joke.

i agree they are too general, but they are the bitter feeling wrpg have leave me, the joke it's WRPG. i find it as a insult to the RPG gender in my opinion

The Swinger -5g
Take part in a orgy, responsibly

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-182248.aspx

about not a single one, have character or villian to remenber, there is not sephiroth (even if people thing it's overrated) or cloud, or aeris death.

 

 If you want to take part in an orgy that is your decision. The devs who create these games leave the choices strictly to you, for it is your story, but within another characters shoes. You don't have to take part in it. You are acknowledging its existence, but you are acting like it's a linear game much like JRPG's where you don't have too much control anyway as far as the outcome is concerned. If JRPG's included sex, there is no way they could escape the shame....because you see...there is lack of choice.

Mass Effect 2 will carry on your own unique saves from the original Mass Effect, so everything you've achieved in the galaxy will still be valid in the next chapter of the game. This is why so many who played the original are frothing at the mouth for the next game.

but RPG are story driven games, how character interact with other, their reactions and they emotions they feel, thats where those games get their cult following.

having orgies as archivement, empty endings, lack of emotion in characters kills that completely. there is nothing to remenber, no memories to hold off.

lack of choice depending of what choice, they are different kinds of choice, you are generally given choice to adapt your characters in gameplay

EDIT: cloud big sword it's not ridiculous it have a story behind it  and who give it to him and why it's so important

spoiler

the sword was a family treasure very valuble to angelus one of the shinra top soldiers, but his family didn't have money to they worked hard to use it, that why he never try to use it in battle unless it's something important since it require alot of work to get it, angelus when he died gave it to zack, and zack gave it to cloud when he died, thats why it's so important!

 

 

RPG's are story driven games. Yes...any adventure or RPG game with characters should have an exceptional story. This is what holds the game itself together. Role playing games are a western concepts based off of games like Dungeons and Dragons (R.I.P to the creators), where you are given control of your character and go off to adventure in an open ended manner, facing off against characters in that world and building your characters attributes. You attack characters based on a points system, usually in turns; however, there is a growing demand for non-turnbased gameplay. With WRPG's you mold the story based on your own decisions. In WRPG's emotions as you stated are respected to the fullest, because you make your own decisions. In JRPG's you follow suit and enjoy the story of that character which you are playing. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, i'm just telling it like it is. 

Having orgies as an achievement is something you can do if you want, as I said. How exactly are the endings empty? They have multiple endings which can end up good, bad or indifferent. It all depends on you, because you're playing the role. Basically what you're arguing that following a linear storyboard is choice. I have no problem with that myself, because I enjoy that just as much as having full control.

I never stated anything about Clouds sword. However, if an protagonist is worth a damn, he'll have a cool weapon anyway. It's not about the story of a sword, it's the reason he has it.

they still feel souless, even if jrpg are sometimes they are linear (in storyline not gameplay ) their story get told in better way, there is more deeper meaning and than in WRPG and have a bigger impact than any WRPG have managed.

i mean even FPS managed to do it right with bioshock and they did not require sex scenes to get people talking about it.

which sound really for a RPG like a marketing gimmick.

and about the ending even games like fallout 3 don't managed to get that impact JRPG have ,  even because they are not crafted to be a big ending but rather tons of small ones.

 

Ok, so basically you're saying you don't want to give meaning to a character because the depth should just exist. Well then I don't really know if real RPG's are for you then man. You want a story or an adventure game. The only roleplaying aspect of JRPG's are the turned based battle systems and fixing up character attributes. 

Since you think sex was got people to play Fable 2, what might I ask inspired them to play the original Fable? What might I ask inspired people to play Mass Effect? Easy, Bioware was making it and they created KOTOR. To narrow down reasons to play a game to sex is to deny everything the game exists for the benefit of your logic.

JRPG's and WRPG's don't have to have expected endings. The question is...what the game good?

 



Jo21 on 17 April 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
outlawauron said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
outlawauron said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:

ugh no.

JRPG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>every other gender> WRPG.
IMO!

their storyline suck and too mixed up with FPS. seriously mass effect and fable 2 main selling point was there was sex scene.

i would care about any other gender RPG. it's blasphemy.

and the focus on open world, no character leave you with no one to remenber , empty ending. (fallout3)

This post is hilarious!....seriously...for the credibility's sake, you're joking right?

I agree with him! WRPGs still aren't as good as JRPGs.

In your undying agreement, there is nothing factual about his post. It seriously is a joke.

It's his opinion. He can think that Fallout had an empty ending and that WRPG stories suck.

 

 

I have no problem with his opinion, which is him thinking JRPG's are better; however, his remarks are slanderous. That....is the joke.

i agree they are too general, but they are the bitter feeling wrpg have leave me, the joke it's WRPG. i find it as a insult to the RPG gender in my opinion

The Swinger -5g
Take part in a orgy, responsibly

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-182248.aspx

about not a single one, have character or villian to remenber, there is not sephiroth (even if people thing it's overrated) or cloud, or aeris death.

 

 If you want to take part in an orgy that is your decision. The devs who create these games leave the choices strictly to you, for it is your story, but within another characters shoes. You don't have to take part in it. You are acknowledging its existence, but you are acting like it's a linear game much like JRPG's where you don't have too much control anyway as far as the outcome is concerned. If JRPG's included sex, there is no way they could escape the shame....because you see...there is lack of choice.

Mass Effect 2 will carry on your own unique saves from the original Mass Effect, so everything you've achieved in the galaxy will still be valid in the next chapter of the game. This is why so many who played the original are frothing at the mouth for the next game.

but RPG are story driven games, how character interact with other, their reactions and they emotions they feel, thats where those games get their cult following.

having orgies as archivement, empty endings, lack of emotion in characters kills that completely. there is nothing to remenber, no memories to hold off.

lack of choice depending of what choice, they are different kinds of choice, you are generally given choice to adapt your characters in gameplay

EDIT: cloud big sword it's not ridiculous it have a story behind it  and who give it to him and why it's so important

spoiler

the sword was a family treasure very valuble to angelus one of the shinra top soldiers, but his family didn't have money to they worked hard to use it, that why he never try to use it in battle unless it's something important since it require alot of work to get it, angelus when he died gave it to zack, and zack gave it to cloud when he died, thats why it's so important!

 

 

RPG's are story driven games. Yes...any adventure or RPG game with characters should have an exceptional story. This is what holds the game itself together. Role playing games are a western concepts based off of games like Dungeons and Dragons (R.I.P to the creators), where you are given control of your character and go off to adventure in an open ended manner, facing off against characters in that world and building your characters attributes. You attack characters based on a points system, usually in turns; however, there is a growing demand for non-turnbased gameplay. With WRPG's you mold the story based on your own decisions. In WRPG's emotions as you stated are respected to the fullest, because you make your own decisions. In JRPG's you follow suit and enjoy the story of that character which you are playing. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, i'm just telling it like it is. 

Having orgies as an achievement is something you can do if you want, as I said. How exactly are the endings empty? They have multiple endings which can end up good, bad or indifferent. It all depends on you, because you're playing the role. Basically what you're arguing that following a linear storyboard is choice. I have no problem with that myself, because I enjoy that just as much as having full control.

I never stated anything about Clouds sword. However, if an protagonist is worth a damn, he'll have a cool weapon anyway. It's not about the story of a sword, it's the reason he has it.

they still feel souless, even if jrpg are sometimes they are linear (in storyline not gameplay ) their story get told in better way, there is more deeper meaning and than in WRPG and have a bigger impact than any WRPG have managed.

i mean even FPS managed to do it right with bioshock and they did not require sex scenes to get people talking about it.

which sound really for a RPG like a marketing gimmick.

and about the ending even games like fallout 3 don't managed to get that impact JRPG have ,  even because they are not crafted to be a big ending but rather tons of small ones.

 

Ok, so basically you're saying you don't want to give meaning to a character because the depth should just exist. Well then I don't really know if real RPG's are for you then man. You want a story or an adventure game. The only roleplaying aspect of JRPG's are the turned based battle systems and fixing up character attributes. 

Since you think sex was got people to play Fable 2, what might I ask inspired them to play the original Fable? What might I ask inspired people to play Mass Effect? Easy, Bioware was making it and they created KOTOR. To narrow down reasons to play a game to sex is to deny everything the game exists for the benefit of your logic.

JRPG's and WRPG's don't have to have expected endings. The question is...what the game good?

 

a game that can fullfill all atributes.

Epic Storyline, deep character development, great music, and long lasting impact in all RPGs.

and fun gameplay to make it additive to play for 100 hours.

last game that managed to do that? Persona 4.

 



Zizzla_Rachet on 17 April 2009

Dont know if there is a thread about this but this is relevant in this one

1UP News

 

Namco Denies Evidence Of PS3 Tales Of Vesperia Character In 360 Version

Code on game disc and in-game message suggest PS3 character existed at one time in 360 version.

By Nick Des Barres, 04/17/2009

The recent announcement of Tales of Vesperia for PlayStation 3 ruffled a lot of Xbox fan feathers in Japan, especially once it was discovered that a message in the game seemed to hint at new character Patty's existence.

The message, found below, is also in the US edition of the game. In the English version it reads "There's a woman's pirate hat inside the drawer. There's a name on it, but it can barely be read. 'Pa...?'"

 

A woman pirate? "Pa..."? Circumstantial, to be sure, but only the beginning. Japanese compu-sleuths (illegally) examined the game's ISO image in hex editors, as seen in the top image. In addition to callouts for every existing party member (YUR/Yuri, EST/Estelle, KAR/Karol, RIT/Rita, RAV/Raven, JUD/Judith and RAP/Repede), the mysterious "PAT" can be found. The plot thickens.

Japanese tech news site IT Media yesterday went straight to the source, Bandai Namco, and asked a couple hard questions: Was Patty intended for the 360 version, but cut? Was an enhanced PS3 version planned all along? The official response: "Absolutely not. That text does appear in the game, but it does not refer to Patty". When asked about the possibility of Patty and other PS3-exclusive Vesperia features coming to 360 via DLC, the answer was "That is currently unknown".

So there you have it, Tales fans. Strong circumstantial evidence, perhaps, but officially smacked down. If you're absolutely determined to get Patty on your 360, however, you can always follow the example of this anonymous Japanese 360 fan...

 

 



 



S.T.A.G.E. on 17 April 2009
Jo21 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
outlawauron said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
outlawauron said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:

ugh no.

JRPG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>every other gender> WRPG.
IMO!

their storyline suck and too mixed up with FPS. seriously mass effect and fable 2 main selling point was there was sex scene.

i would care about any other gender RPG. it's blasphemy.

and the focus on open world, no character leave you with no one to remenber , empty ending. (fallout3)

This post is hilarious!....seriously...for the credibility's sake, you're joking right?

I agree with him! WRPGs still aren't as good as JRPGs.

In your undying agreement, there is nothing factual about his post. It seriously is a joke.

It's his opinion. He can think that Fallout had an empty ending and that WRPG stories suck.

 

 

I have no problem with his opinion, which is him thinking JRPG's are better; however, his remarks are slanderous. That....is the joke.

i agree they are too general, but they are the bitter feeling wrpg have leave me, the joke it's WRPG. i find it as a insult to the RPG gender in my opinion

The Swinger -5g
Take part in a orgy, responsibly

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-182248.aspx

about not a single one, have character or villian to remenber, there is not sephiroth (even if people thing it's overrated) or cloud, or aeris death.

 

 If you want to take part in an orgy that is your decision. The devs who create these games leave the choices strictly to you, for it is your story, but within another characters shoes. You don't have to take part in it. You are acknowledging its existence, but you are acting like it's a linear game much like JRPG's where you don't have too much control anyway as far as the outcome is concerned. If JRPG's included sex, there is no way they could escape the shame....because you see...there is lack of choice.

Mass Effect 2 will carry on your own unique saves from the original Mass Effect, so everything you've achieved in the galaxy will still be valid in the next chapter of the game. This is why so many who played the original are frothing at the mouth for the next game.

but RPG are story driven games, how character interact with other, their reactions and they emotions they feel, thats where those games get their cult following.

having orgies as archivement, empty endings, lack of emotion in characters kills that completely. there is nothing to remenber, no memories to hold off.

lack of choice depending of what choice, they are different kinds of choice, you are generally given choice to adapt your characters in gameplay

EDIT: cloud big sword it's not ridiculous it have a story behind it  and who give it to him and why it's so important

spoiler

the sword was a family treasure very valuble to angelus one of the shinra top soldiers, but his family didn't have money to they worked hard to use it, that why he never try to use it in battle unless it's something important since it require alot of work to get it, angelus when he died gave it to zack, and zack gave it to cloud when he died, thats why it's so important!

 

 

RPG's are story driven games. Yes...any adventure or RPG game with characters should have an exceptional story. This is what holds the game itself together. Role playing games are a western concepts based off of games like Dungeons and Dragons (R.I.P to the creators), where you are given control of your character and go off to adventure in an open ended manner, facing off against characters in that world and building your characters attributes. You attack characters based on a points system, usually in turns; however, there is a growing demand for non-turnbased gameplay. With WRPG's you mold the story based on your own decisions. In WRPG's emotions as you stated are respected to the fullest, because you make your own decisions. In JRPG's you follow suit and enjoy the story of that character which you are playing. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, i'm just telling it like it is. 

Having orgies as an achievement is something you can do if you want, as I said. How exactly are the endings empty? They have multiple endings which can end up good, bad or indifferent. It all depends on you, because you're playing the role. Basically what you're arguing that following a linear storyboard is choice. I have no problem with that myself, because I enjoy that just as much as having full control.

I never stated anything about Clouds sword. However, if an protagonist is worth a damn, he'll have a cool weapon anyway. It's not about the story of a sword, it's the reason he has it.

they still feel souless, even if jrpg are sometimes they are linear (in storyline not gameplay ) their story get told in better way, there is more deeper meaning and than in WRPG and have a bigger impact than any WRPG have managed.

i mean even FPS managed to do it right with bioshock and they did not require sex scenes to get people talking about it.

which sound really for a RPG like a marketing gimmick.

and about the ending even games like fallout 3 don't managed to get that impact JRPG have ,  even because they are not crafted to be a big ending but rather tons of small ones.

 

Ok, so basically you're saying you don't want to give meaning to a character because the depth should just exist. Well then I don't really know if real RPG's are for you then man. You want a story or an adventure game. The only roleplaying aspect of JRPG's are the turned based battle systems and fixing up character attributes. 

Since you think sex was got people to play Fable 2, what might I ask inspired them to play the original Fable? What might I ask inspired people to play Mass Effect? Easy, Bioware was making it and they created KOTOR. To narrow down reasons to play a game to sex is to deny everything the game exists for the benefit of your logic.

JRPG's and WRPG's don't have to have expected endings. The question is...what the game good?

 

a game that can fullfill all atributes.

Epic Storyline, deep character development, great music, and long lasting impact in all RPGs.

and fun gameplay to make it additive to play for 100 hours.

last game that managed to do that? Persona 4.

 

 

Mass Effect meets that criteria perfectly.