Macs do work out of the box.

So does any PC.

But with OEM PCs, typically the smartest thing to do is reformat the drive and do a clean install of Windows to delete the bloatware/adware most PCs ship with.

Some of it's actually pretty useful, but most of it isn't. Some of it actually chokes down network connections to the point of being unusable (kasperkey is often the culprit).

bloatware eh? fair enough, but i would think thats more of a problem resulting of a larger marketshare - being that if apple were to be much bigger (read: other computer companies making MAC enabled models) then i would think that said bloatware would come natively installed on any Mac computer not distributed through apple. but alas - thats a hypothetical, im not allowed to use those.

Poor apple, feeling scared.

Mac rules!1!!1!!

...Wait, you are talking about this Mac, right?:

Oh, so now I'm paying 500 extra for the OS? Because... it feels better? Also btw I hate the dock. Little jumping icons or all my apps staying down there. I just really hate the concept. Also, expose is worth 500 bucks? Oh man, you sold me there! I've also never had problems either installing or updating, unless it's drivers (which applies heavily to linux).

You said it yourself, most Windows things have Mac offshoots. But there a bunch obscure apps that don't, even when you exclude the games. And I'm glad we agree on the Linux part. So you are askig me to pay 500 because the OS is nicer but has absolutely NO benefits of either and the downfalls of both (doesn't ahve windows library like linux, but neither is it as open as linux) without a benefit of either? Yeah... that won't fly.

I haven't had a problem with a virus or malware since... I dare say 2003. Maybe 2004. I forget when I caught my last bad malware.

@gameover

No. Just no. Macs are not better by any stretch of the imagination. They lack software, they are not open. As I stated above, why am I paying so much money? Flashing lights and smoke? No thank you. Owning a Mac has no benefits. In fact I'd be more restricted if I bought a mac .  You want me to pay more so I can do less? I love Apple's PR.

People that get viruses get them because of their own fault.  You can safely go around the internet without a virus program as long as you're not an idiot.  Don't download random shit from random sites, and stay away from the porn or any other site that spams you with adverts.

You don't have to be a whiz to not get a virus or malware, you just have to be not a dipshit.

@vlad321 is not about being BETTER

is about getting MORE

because unless u are living under a rock the last 3 years macs are pcs too

so is so pointless to compare pcs and macs anymore

how many times will we say it? u can run windows and linux native in mac

so u are actually comparing a pc with a pc that has osx too

please..

we mac users have a reason to use macs

u say u dont have software?

what software? everything runs on macs

even under virtualization or native

you give me logic pro in pc

where is it?

you mean like vgchartz.com?

and btw

@vlad

"""Macs suck for 1 reason. They are in between Windows and Linux. Has downfalls of both and none of the benefits. Completely useless and utterly shitty. It neither has the software lbrary my WIndows does, yet it's nowhere near as open as my Linux boot. Quite fail really...."""

LOL

u have NO idea what are u talking about?

any mac can have LINUX AND WINDOWS just like you

and can have OSX too

this is a joke

people write here without knowing shit about macs

and say random things

My friend pirated Leopard or whatever off of PirateBay. So he was running OSX too. What's your point?