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Correction, Fox DID NOT ENDORSE THE TEA PARTIES!!!! Some of their commentators talked about it, but didn't actually endorse them. Also, the Alamo wasn't the only place a tea party happened.



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Viper1 said:
theprof00 said:
BTW sqrl,
I think you would be interested in the result of implicit attitude tests.

meta-studies of hundreds of different studies like these show that a very large amount of the population in USA have at least some unconscious racist bias against black people.

I'll look for the actual statistics... but these tests along with others are the whole basis of Equal Oportunity Employment and Affirmative Action.

Affirmative Action is not about equality, it's about providing an unfair advantage to a specific population group.    It perpetuates that unconcious racist bias that you even pointed out.

The more we treat a specific group as "special" the longer it will take for racism to dissipate.

Wow. you are clueless. Racism exists in other countries that don't have AA either like other 1st world countries. You really have no basis for your words and not only that, you will never even slightly teensy eensy weensilly concede that you may be judging based on your own views...

 



akuma587 said:
Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:

You also make the assumption that spending more on a war is always an effective way to win that war.  That may be true in some cases, but we put a lot of money and manpower into wars like Vietnam and Iraq and have only gotten back questionable results in return.  Sometimes spending money on a war just means you spent a lot of money and didn't get shit in return.

 

How do you think the Iraq and Vietnam wars would of went without spending a lot of money on them?  The same or worse?

Also, the Iraq war went awesome.  It was the gameplan for the reconstruction of Iraq that was screwed up.  They never came up with a gameplan for what to do after they won the war.

As for Vietnam... Vietnam actually went well consdering we were fighting both Vietnam and China... and also keeping military actions to a low enough level as to not ignite a nuclear war.  You can't really win "Limited wars".  Not against China anyway.

Kudos for actually bringing up something democrats have done wrong for once though.

 

Oh yeah, LBJ totally botched it by getting involved in Vietnam.  There were some merits to containment as a foreign policy, but on the whole it was pretty much a complete failure, especially containment through the use of military force.

I'm not trying saying that we would have been better off if we would have spent less money in Vietnam, I am trying to say that we would have been better off if we hadn't spent any money there in the first place.  I feel the same way about Iraq.

You could argue that the Soviet Union would have collapsed under its own weight even if Reagan hadn't spent that extra money.  They had systematic problems throughout their entire country even before we started having a pissing contest with them in the 80's.  The vibrancy of our economy and the severe problems with their economy were just as much a factor or more in our "victory" over the Soviet Union.

In a lot of circumstances, economic warfare is more effective than actual warfare.  Plus its typically cheaper and you don't get your hands dirty.


Regardless... when in a war and your option is to spend a lot of money... or not too... to spend money is seen as better.  There was no opting out of the Cold war. 

You should of been there with me.  I was one of the few people i could find who thought attacking Iraq was stupid in the first place.  Everyone else was too caught up in the 9/11 love.

It probably would of collapsed without us spending that extra money.  The question is... what would they have done before it collapsed?  If they thought America was weak. 

Also at the time it should be noted America was in a bit of economic trouble itself.  Blamed at the time on Reagans deficit spending... and trying to control inflation.

Democrats pressured him to fight the recession by raising taxes and focus on fiscal responsibility.  He didn't really... but he did pass a huge tax hike like the democrats wanted.  Eventually the recession fixed itself.

Kinda funny considering.

 



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theprof00 said:
BTW sqrl,
I think you would be interested in the result of implicit attitude tests.

meta-studies of hundreds of different studies like these show that a very large amount of the population in USA have at least some unconscious racist bias against black people.

I'll look for the actual statistics... but these tests along with others are the whole basis of Equal Oportunity Employment and Affirmative Action.

I don't think you understand what "unconsious racial bias" means.

It's largely based on scenarios such as this.

"You are walking down a dark alley at night.  Suddenly you see a black man/white man... etc behind you"

And then measures different uncomfortableness levels.

None of this would relate at all to Obama... where people know a lot about him.

 



ironman said:
Correction, Fox DID NOT ENDORSE THE TEA PARTIES!!!! Some of their commentators talked about it, but didn't actually endorse them. Also, the Alamo wasn't the only place a tea party happened.

Please come back and talk to us once you leave your fantasy world.

Many liberal networks unfairly lambasted the protests.  Fox News unquestionably glorified them as something they were not.  That is the reality.

 



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ironman said:
Correction, Fox DID NOT ENDORSE THE TEA PARTIES!!!! Some of their commentators talked about it, but didn't actually endorse them. Also, the Alamo wasn't the only place a tea party happened.

They hosted them.  They advertised for the ones that they hosted.  They also put their names on them.  "FNC Tea Parties."

That's an endorsement and much more.  That's not just "talking about it."

Glenn Beck hosted his at the Alamo because he's an idiot and just strings together random things from American history into a big orgy of meaningless Americana.  Next he'll be hosting a 4th of July party at the Statue of Liberty dressed as a Constitution with a Lincoln beard.

 

@theprof, oh yeah, I've seen the real one then.  Soooo hilarious.



theprof00 said:
Viper1 said:
theprof00 said:
BTW sqrl,
I think you would be interested in the result of implicit attitude tests.

meta-studies of hundreds of different studies like these show that a very large amount of the population in USA have at least some unconscious racist bias against black people.

I'll look for the actual statistics... but these tests along with others are the whole basis of Equal Oportunity Employment and Affirmative Action.

Affirmative Action is not about equality, it's about providing an unfair advantage to a specific population group.    It perpetuates that unconcious racist bias that you even pointed out.

The more we treat a specific group as "special" the longer it will take for racism to dissipate.

Wow. you are clueless. Racism exists in other countries that don't have AA either like other 1st world countries. You really have no basis for your words and not only that, you will never even slightly teensy eensy weensilly concede that you may be judging based on your own views...

 

... not really.

Think about this.  Say your a poor person living in the city.  You have a really crappy life.  Say a poor person of a different color lives in the same city.  They live the same crappy life.

Say your told that they will get advantages you won't... because there is some rich guy off somewhere who has the same skin color as you.

This doesn't give you resentment?

Taking care of the poor should be done from the bottom up... based soley on need.

 



The Ghost of RubangB said:
ironman said:
Correction, Fox DID NOT ENDORSE THE TEA PARTIES!!!! Some of their commentators talked about it, but didn't actually endorse them. Also, the Alamo wasn't the only place a tea party happened.

They hosted them.  They advertised for the ones that they hosted.  They also put their names on them.  "FNC Tea Parties."

That's an endorsement and much more.  That's not just "talking about it."

Glenn Beck hosted his at the Alamo because he's an idiot and just strings together random things from American history into a big orgy of meaningless Americana.  Next he'll be hosting a 4th of July party at the Statue of Liberty dressed as a Constitution with a Lincoln beard.

 

@theprof, oh yeah, I've seen the real one then.  Soooo hilarious.

Isn't Glen Beck on a CNN station?  He was a pretty good radio host before he went all insane thinking the end of the world was coming.

Well not really good.  I pretty much didn't believe in 80% of what he said... but he was funny.