Tyrannical said:
You're right, dead right. But dead just the same if you can't get the information out of them.
|
Saying that we're all going to die if we don't use torture? Yeah I think thats fearmongering mate.
Also I'm in complete agreement that terrorism is a terrible thing that causes a loss in public confidence and causes threat and paranoia. However the only thing that sets the USA apart as a 'free country' is its human rights and throwing some of the most crucial of those away as the result of terrorism seems to be both irrational and defeatist.
Who says we're all going to die if we don't use torture. Got ANY links on that? I've never heard those words uttered. Besides that, I don't want to see 4,000 innocent Americans die because some crazy Arabs don't like Jewish people.
I'm not sure I believe in giving a suspected terrorist or prisoner of war (Actively trying to harm our soliders) a full, wide array of options in terms of their freedom is the way to go about this.
I'm using a broad brush because human rights are a fairly broad thing. There is a reason the most important document relating to human rights is titled 'Universal Declaration of Human Rights' because they are meant to be universal. So no, I don't believe that you have the right to torture innocent people (or people who have not been found guilty of any crime) because there is a slim possibility that it could prevent a terror attack. In my opinion the 'in reason' in your post stops before torture.
If you aren't a US citizen the same freedoms, laws, rules and regulations should not apply to you. It's not fair but it's the way of the world.
Of course its not, but this little bit of hypocrisy is relevant to this debate. If you're going to point out any that the left are guilty of that are relevant then be my guest.
Hypocrisy is never relevant in a 'debate'. It's just a deflection technique to attempt to move away from the actual subject line.
It all goes down to interpretation. And you can count me in as someone who believes the US Governments primary responsibility is to protect it's citizens by any means necessary.
You can cry all day about the 'torture' of these poor, poor, PoWs or Terror Cells in the US. But shed no tear for the poor, poor thousands of innocent people who lost their life in the Twin Towers? Hypocrisy at it's finest. This really is the whole "Kill Babies, Save Whales" argument all over again.
Bush can get criticized for a lot of things during his presidency. Protecting the citizens of the United States is not one of them.
What country are you in by the way?
|
