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selnor on 16 April 2009
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
nen-suer said:
Ok guys i see u don't understand the deffrence between movies and

games data

let us assume we have a 16 Gb game, we cant divide it into two 8Gb dvds

becaouse character models and shared mabs and soundrack..(any shared data)

must be doublecated again to other DVD so we end up with 3 or 4 DVD

And in order to convert 25 GB blue-ray game you may need up to 5-7 HD-DVDs

So if a game has alot of Movies its easier because they are not needed in the

other DVds....
................................................................

Hope i made u guys understand

Yes this post is very sound.

Very good point.

Lost Odyssey is 23.4gb. However on a single disc this may only be 15gb?

I'm betting on a Blu Ray disc if none of the information is duplicated it will be 20-25gb max!

However I'm betting on the PS3 bluray disc data being duplicated as other companies do to improve load times and streaming. So I think 30gb for Ps3 FF13?

I therefore in light of smart thinking and info from a number of level headed users here at VGchartz I'm expecting about 30gb BluRay. With compression and duplicate info for 360 on multi discs, I'm expecting 5 discs. 33gb 360. I dont think there will be alot of compression at all for the 360 version. With 5 discs they will find through compression maybe an extra 5-6gb to fit on 5 discs?

30gb I expect it to be on Bluray. Do people really expect it to be 50gb? Think about this. FF9 is probably about 1.8gb altogether taking out duplication of data for each disc. FFX was only 4gb. Lost Odyssey at a guess without multidiscs would probably be around 15 gb. To say on a single disc that FF13 will be 50gb????????

From the demo I see nowhere near the graphical quality needed to fill 50gb. It's good but not lifelike good. At the level of graphics in the demo (leaving room for improving before release ) I would expect over 100hours of story game for 50gb.

We need to step back and be real here people.

Didn't I say the same thing in better english a few posts up?

Yes you did. Whats wrong my english? ;)

Not yours, but nen-suer.

And it could very well end up over 50gb, but don't expect it to. MGS 4 apparently up in the 40-50 range. I think FF13 is aroud that range.

 

MGS4 apparantly doubled and trippled alot of data though didnt it? I'm sure I read that all over these forums. Without any duplication there is no way FF13 is more than 25gb. I'm sure of it. You know, it's native state. Duplication I can see 30gb, maybe they will duplicate the hell out of the info. But the native information wont be that hard to put on 5 discs for the 360. Cant see it. Maybe you see something different in the demo, but if that is 50gb game without duplicating the info then it better be 100 hours. :)



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outlawauron on 16 April 2009
selnor said:
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
nen-suer said:
Ok guys i see u don't understand the deffrence between movies and

games data

let us assume we have a 16 Gb game, we cant divide it into two 8Gb dvds

becaouse character models and shared mabs and soundrack..(any shared data)

must be doublecated again to other DVD so we end up with 3 or 4 DVD

And in order to convert 25 GB blue-ray game you may need up to 5-7 HD-DVDs

So if a game has alot of Movies its easier because they are not needed in the

other DVds....
................................................................

Hope i made u guys understand

Yes this post is very sound.

Very good point.

Lost Odyssey is 23.4gb. However on a single disc this may only be 15gb?

I'm betting on a Blu Ray disc if none of the information is duplicated it will be 20-25gb max!

However I'm betting on the PS3 bluray disc data being duplicated as other companies do to improve load times and streaming. So I think 30gb for Ps3 FF13?

I therefore in light of smart thinking and info from a number of level headed users here at VGchartz I'm expecting about 30gb BluRay. With compression and duplicate info for 360 on multi discs, I'm expecting 5 discs. 33gb 360. I dont think there will be alot of compression at all for the 360 version. With 5 discs they will find through compression maybe an extra 5-6gb to fit on 5 discs?

30gb I expect it to be on Bluray. Do people really expect it to be 50gb? Think about this. FF9 is probably about 1.8gb altogether taking out duplication of data for each disc. FFX was only 4gb. Lost Odyssey at a guess without multidiscs would probably be around 15 gb. To say on a single disc that FF13 will be 50gb????????

From the demo I see nowhere near the graphical quality needed to fill 50gb. It's good but not lifelike good. At the level of graphics in the demo (leaving room for improving before release ) I would expect over 100hours of story game for 50gb.

We need to step back and be real here people.

Didn't I say the same thing in better english a few posts up?

Yes you did. Whats wrong my english? ;)

Not yours, but nen-suer.

And it could very well end up over 50gb, but don't expect it to. MGS 4 apparently up in the 40-50 range. I think FF13 is aroud that range.

MGS4 apparantly doubled and trippled alot of data though didnt it? I'm sure I read that all over these forums. Without any duplication there is no way FF13 is more than 25gb. I'm sure of it. You know, it's native state. Duplication I can see 30gb, maybe they will duplicate the hell out of the info. But the native information wont be that hard to put on 5 discs for the 360. Cant see it. Maybe you see something different in the demo, but if that is 50gb game without duplicating the info then it better be 100 hours. :)

Well, most take at least 40 hours and you can easily go way over 100 hours. We'll what happens.

And remember that nothing on the PS3 version will be compressed.



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And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
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Jo21 on 16 April 2009
selnor said:
Jo21 said:

hell the game it's going to be 40-50gb minimum they may even may need another blu ray.

i am seriously worried now, we may not see it til april 2010 now T_T i am taking japanese next semester!

 

Read the couple of posts before yours. Very valid info from a number of users. 40 or 50 gb just isnt viable. It'll be nowhere near 50gb. :)

EDIT: If anything the 360 version even with compression will likely ad up to more GB across the DVD's. PS3 30 gb max. 360 33gb. based on..... well read the posts in here. :)

metal gear solid 4 was 33gb. yes it's bigger than lost odyssey.

and its way shorter than final fantasy titles. either way i just care about the PS3 version which likely only going to be a dual layer disc

and no there is not any duplication in the disc, you install a 2 min install of the ACT you are on.

 each act depending on how u play it may take 1-6 hours. 5 acts.

the game install most of the basic things and only streams cutscences or movies.



selnor on 16 April 2009
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
nen-suer said:
Ok guys i see u don't understand the deffrence between movies and

games data

let us assume we have a 16 Gb game, we cant divide it into two 8Gb dvds

becaouse character models and shared mabs and soundrack..(any shared data)

must be doublecated again to other DVD so we end up with 3 or 4 DVD

And in order to convert 25 GB blue-ray game you may need up to 5-7 HD-DVDs

So if a game has alot of Movies its easier because they are not needed in the

other DVds....
................................................................

Hope i made u guys understand

Yes this post is very sound.

Very good point.

Lost Odyssey is 23.4gb. However on a single disc this may only be 15gb?

I'm betting on a Blu Ray disc if none of the information is duplicated it will be 20-25gb max!

However I'm betting on the PS3 bluray disc data being duplicated as other companies do to improve load times and streaming. So I think 30gb for Ps3 FF13?

I therefore in light of smart thinking and info from a number of level headed users here at VGchartz I'm expecting about 30gb BluRay. With compression and duplicate info for 360 on multi discs, I'm expecting 5 discs. 33gb 360. I dont think there will be alot of compression at all for the 360 version. With 5 discs they will find through compression maybe an extra 5-6gb to fit on 5 discs?

30gb I expect it to be on Bluray. Do people really expect it to be 50gb? Think about this. FF9 is probably about 1.8gb altogether taking out duplication of data for each disc. FFX was only 4gb. Lost Odyssey at a guess without multidiscs would probably be around 15 gb. To say on a single disc that FF13 will be 50gb????????

From the demo I see nowhere near the graphical quality needed to fill 50gb. It's good but not lifelike good. At the level of graphics in the demo (leaving room for improving before release ) I would expect over 100hours of story game for 50gb.

We need to step back and be real here people.

Didn't I say the same thing in better english a few posts up?

Yes you did. Whats wrong my english? ;)

Not yours, but nen-suer.

And it could very well end up over 50gb, but don't expect it to. MGS 4 apparently up in the 40-50 range. I think FF13 is aroud that range.

MGS4 apparantly doubled and trippled alot of data though didnt it? I'm sure I read that all over these forums. Without any duplication there is no way FF13 is more than 25gb. I'm sure of it. You know, it's native state. Duplication I can see 30gb, maybe they will duplicate the hell out of the info. But the native information wont be that hard to put on 5 discs for the 360. Cant see it. Maybe you see something different in the demo, but if that is 50gb game without duplicating the info then it better be 100 hours. :)

Well, most take at least 40 hours and you can easily go way over 100 hours. We'll what happens.

And remember that nothing on the PS3 version will be compressed.

I kinda meant 100 hours just to get through the story. :)

On MGS4 I just did a bit of research. MGS4 had lossless audio. A bloke did some estimations and MGS4 contains roughly about 11 hours of audio alltogether. Based on file sizes for lossless audio that is about 12 gb ( this is somebodies estimate ). Also MGS4 did have duplicate data. :)

I really think people (not aimed at you) need to just have a reality check. It wont be that difficult for 4-5 360 discs.

 



outlawauron on 16 April 2009
selnor said:
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
nen-suer said:
Ok guys i see u don't understand the deffrence between movies and

games data

let us assume we have a 16 Gb game, we cant divide it into two 8Gb dvds

becaouse character models and shared mabs and soundrack..(any shared data)

must be doublecated again to other DVD so we end up with 3 or 4 DVD

And in order to convert 25 GB blue-ray game you may need up to 5-7 HD-DVDs

So if a game has alot of Movies its easier because they are not needed in the

other DVds....
................................................................

Hope i made u guys understand

Yes this post is very sound.

Very good point.

Lost Odyssey is 23.4gb. However on a single disc this may only be 15gb?

I'm betting on a Blu Ray disc if none of the information is duplicated it will be 20-25gb max!

However I'm betting on the PS3 bluray disc data being duplicated as other companies do to improve load times and streaming. So I think 30gb for Ps3 FF13?

I therefore in light of smart thinking and info from a number of level headed users here at VGchartz I'm expecting about 30gb BluRay. With compression and duplicate info for 360 on multi discs, I'm expecting 5 discs. 33gb 360. I dont think there will be alot of compression at all for the 360 version. With 5 discs they will find through compression maybe an extra 5-6gb to fit on 5 discs?

30gb I expect it to be on Bluray. Do people really expect it to be 50gb? Think about this. FF9 is probably about 1.8gb altogether taking out duplication of data for each disc. FFX was only 4gb. Lost Odyssey at a guess without multidiscs would probably be around 15 gb. To say on a single disc that FF13 will be 50gb????????

From the demo I see nowhere near the graphical quality needed to fill 50gb. It's good but not lifelike good. At the level of graphics in the demo (leaving room for improving before release ) I would expect over 100hours of story game for 50gb.

We need to step back and be real here people.

Didn't I say the same thing in better english a few posts up?

Yes you did. Whats wrong my english? ;)

Not yours, but nen-suer.

And it could very well end up over 50gb, but don't expect it to. MGS 4 apparently up in the 40-50 range. I think FF13 is aroud that range.

MGS4 apparantly doubled and trippled alot of data though didnt it? I'm sure I read that all over these forums. Without any duplication there is no way FF13 is more than 25gb. I'm sure of it. You know, it's native state. Duplication I can see 30gb, maybe they will duplicate the hell out of the info. But the native information wont be that hard to put on 5 discs for the 360. Cant see it. Maybe you see something different in the demo, but if that is 50gb game without duplicating the info then it better be 100 hours. :)

Well, most take at least 40 hours and you can easily go way over 100 hours. We'll what happens.

And remember that nothing on the PS3 version will be compressed.

I kinda meant 100 hours just to get through the story. :)

On MGS4 I just did a bit of research. MGS4 had lossless audio. A bloke did some estimations and MGS4 contains roughly about 11 hours of audio alltogether. Based on file sizes for lossless audio that is about 12 gb ( this is somebodies estimate ). Also MGS4 did have duplicate data. :)

I really think people (not aimed at you) need to just have a reality check. It wont be that difficult for 4-5 360 discs.

I would think the 360 version will be on either 4 or 6 discs. Not a fan of the odd numbers.



"We'll toss the dice however they fall,
And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."

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Jo21 on 16 April 2009

i am locking 360 version a 4-6 discs too
more likely 5-6.

 



nen-suer on 16 April 2009
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
nen-suer said:
Ok guys i see u don't understand the deffrence between movies and

games data

let us assume we have a 16 Gb game, we cant divide it into two 8Gb dvds

becaouse character models and shared mabs and soundrack..(any shared data)

must be doublecated again to other DVD so we end up with 3 or 4 DVD

And in order to convert 25 GB blue-ray game you may need up to 5-7 HD-DVDs

So if a game has alot of Movies its easier because they are not needed in the

other DVds....
................................................................

Hope i made u guys understand

Yes this post is very sound.

Very good point.

Lost Odyssey is 23.4gb. However on a single disc this may only be 15gb?

I'm betting on a Blu Ray disc if none of the information is duplicated it will be 20-25gb max!

However I'm betting on the PS3 bluray disc data being duplicated as other companies do to improve load times and streaming. So I think 30gb for Ps3 FF13?

I therefore in light of smart thinking and info from a number of level headed users here at VGchartz I'm expecting about 30gb BluRay. With compression and duplicate info for 360 on multi discs, I'm expecting 5 discs. 33gb 360. I dont think there will be alot of compression at all for the 360 version. With 5 discs they will find through compression maybe an extra 5-6gb to fit on 5 discs?

30gb I expect it to be on Bluray. Do people really expect it to be 50gb? Think about this. FF9 is probably about 1.8gb altogether taking out duplication of data for each disc. FFX was only 4gb. Lost Odyssey at a guess without multidiscs would probably be around 15 gb. To say on a single disc that FF13 will be 50gb????????

From the demo I see nowhere near the graphical quality needed to fill 50gb. It's good but not lifelike good. At the level of graphics in the demo (leaving room for improving before release ) I would expect over 100hours of story game for 50gb.

We need to step back and be real here people.

Didn't I say the same thing in better english a few posts up?

Yes you did. Whats wrong my english? ;)

Not yours, but nen-suer.

And it could very well end up over 50gb, but don't expect it to. MGS 4 apparently up in the 40-50 range. I think FF13 is aroud that range.

 

Considering English is my native language am doing pretty good

But i can see u ran out of anything usefull to say (whats else is new).........



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outlawauron on 16 April 2009
nen-suer said:
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
nen-suer said:
Ok guys i see u don't understand the deffrence between movies and

games data

let us assume we have a 16 Gb game, we cant divide it into two 8Gb dvds

becaouse character models and shared mabs and soundrack..(any shared data)

must be doublecated again to other DVD so we end up with 3 or 4 DVD

And in order to convert 25 GB blue-ray game you may need up to 5-7 HD-DVDs

So if a game has alot of Movies its easier because they are not needed in the

other DVds....
................................................................

Hope i made u guys understand

Yes this post is very sound.

Very good point.

Lost Odyssey is 23.4gb. However on a single disc this may only be 15gb?

I'm betting on a Blu Ray disc if none of the information is duplicated it will be 20-25gb max!

However I'm betting on the PS3 bluray disc data being duplicated as other companies do to improve load times and streaming. So I think 30gb for Ps3 FF13?

I therefore in light of smart thinking and info from a number of level headed users here at VGchartz I'm expecting about 30gb BluRay. With compression and duplicate info for 360 on multi discs, I'm expecting 5 discs. 33gb 360. I dont think there will be alot of compression at all for the 360 version. With 5 discs they will find through compression maybe an extra 5-6gb to fit on 5 discs?

30gb I expect it to be on Bluray. Do people really expect it to be 50gb? Think about this. FF9 is probably about 1.8gb altogether taking out duplication of data for each disc. FFX was only 4gb. Lost Odyssey at a guess without multidiscs would probably be around 15 gb. To say on a single disc that FF13 will be 50gb????????

From the demo I see nowhere near the graphical quality needed to fill 50gb. It's good but not lifelike good. At the level of graphics in the demo (leaving room for improving before release ) I would expect over 100hours of story game for 50gb.

We need to step back and be real here people.

Didn't I say the same thing in better english a few posts up?

Yes you did. Whats wrong my english? ;)

Not yours, but nen-suer.

And it could very well end up over 50gb, but don't expect it to. MGS 4 apparently up in the 40-50 range. I think FF13 is aroud that range.

Considering English is my native language am doing pretty good

But i can see u ran out of anything usefull to say (whats else is new).........

I'm sorry if I offended but your English is similar to some foreigners with mispelled words and missing punctuation. It's not that bad.

Although, you really didn't need to insult me. Especially being that you're insulting me for running out of things to say whenever you took what I said and reposted it in your own words.



"We'll toss the dice however they fall,
And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."

Check out MyAnimeList and my Game Collection. Owner of the 5 millionth post.

nen-suer on 16 April 2009
outlawauron said:
nen-suer said:
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
outlawauron said:
selnor said:
nen-suer said:
Ok guys i see u don't understand the deffrence between movies and

games data

let us assume we have a 16 Gb game, we cant divide it into two 8Gb dvds

becaouse character models and shared mabs and soundrack..(any shared data)

must be doublecated again to other DVD so we end up with 3 or 4 DVD

And in order to convert 25 GB blue-ray game you may need up to 5-7 HD-DVDs

So if a game has alot of Movies its easier because they are not needed in the

other DVds....
................................................................

Hope i made u guys understand

Yes this post is very sound.

Very good point.

Lost Odyssey is 23.4gb. However on a single disc this may only be 15gb?

I'm betting on a Blu Ray disc if none of the information is duplicated it will be 20-25gb max!

However I'm betting on the PS3 bluray disc data being duplicated as other companies do to improve load times and streaming. So I think 30gb for Ps3 FF13?

I therefore in light of smart thinking and info from a number of level headed users here at VGchartz I'm expecting about 30gb BluRay. With compression and duplicate info for 360 on multi discs, I'm expecting 5 discs. 33gb 360. I dont think there will be alot of compression at all for the 360 version. With 5 discs they will find through compression maybe an extra 5-6gb to fit on 5 discs?

30gb I expect it to be on Bluray. Do people really expect it to be 50gb? Think about this. FF9 is probably about 1.8gb altogether taking out duplication of data for each disc. FFX was only 4gb. Lost Odyssey at a guess without multidiscs would probably be around 15 gb. To say on a single disc that FF13 will be 50gb????????

From the demo I see nowhere near the graphical quality needed to fill 50gb. It's good but not lifelike good. At the level of graphics in the demo (leaving room for improving before release ) I would expect over 100hours of story game for 50gb.

We need to step back and be real here people.

Didn't I say the same thing in better english a few posts up?

Yes you did. Whats wrong my english? ;)

Not yours, but nen-suer.

And it could very well end up over 50gb, but don't expect it to. MGS 4 apparently up in the 40-50 range. I think FF13 is aroud that range.

Considering English is my native language am doing pretty good

But i can see u ran out of anything usefull to say (whats else is new).........

I'm sorry if I offended but your English is similar to some foreigners with mispelled words and missing punctuation. It's not that bad.

Although, you really didn't need to insult me. Especially being that you're insulting me for running out of things to say whenever you took what I said and reposted it in your own words.

 

 

First of all i didnt read what u said (looks like i missed it) but getting all that worked up because someone replyed to me is

just sad........you could've just said I SAID THAT FIRST and all ur glory would be restored back to you

I just wanted to clarify something.....but sorry if a poor foreigner like me tried to speak at ur presence

 

 



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JaggedSac on 16 April 2009

I am gonna need 3-4 dvds just to hold all these unnecessarily long quotes.