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Much less casuals being able to use the games.  Kids would be absolutely screwed. The whole Wii marketing concept of simplicity would be confused because of this.  More injuries?

Primarily though its about simplicity and the wiimote was enough at the time for everybody. They didn't need to get more accuracy because that was all we knew of it, and it was God.

 

Discuss honestly. Look at it from a business perspective.



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Not to mention that the technology back then was way more expensive..which means either Nintendo or us would be paying more for our controllers.



As a risk to their business, sure they had no idea that the wiimote would take off like the DS.



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

Yeah, WM+ back at launch would have been a pain to our wallets, although I have a feeling NIntendo would still have charged the same...But having 2 attachments to the Wiimote would have been horribly annoying. I thin now is a good time to release it.

That gets me thinking. Is it possible Nintendo could include the technology in WM+ to a remote? Not that they should do it (people would be pissed), but I'm just curious.



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So they would've had to debut the Wii for $280 or so, and people would wonder why this overclocked GameCube was so closely approaching the launch price of the 360.

 

It's understandable, if only from a pricing perspective.



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megaman79 said:

Much less casuals being able to use the games.  Kids would be absolutely screwed. The whole Wii marketing concept of simplicity would be confused because of this.  More injuries?

 

WUT TEH FUK ?

 

You are seriously over-stereotyping the "casuals". 

 

Do you honestly believe that a relevant part of the userbase of 50 million are so amazingly retarded, that they would be confused by more realistic controls? 

 

I guess these kids you are talking about also would be absolutely screwed if they would have to play baseball outside. I mean, hitting the ball??!! ARE YOU INSANE? They would be totally confused by the idea of realistic physics, and movements. You must be a hardcore gamer to be avare of these insider tricks, like real-world physics. 

 

Of course, from a business perspective, it was too expensive, and te WM- was already "good enough" for most people if there was nothing better, but besides that, WM+ is a very "casual" idea, that will mae gaming more life-like, and even increase the Wii userbase with people who were confused by the more abstract "waggling" of WM-.



I honestly don't think it would have changed that much, assuming that Nintendo still managed to hit the 250 price point.

I don't buy Megaman's point either. WM+ is still programmable, it doesn't necessarily mean all games have to have uber-realistic 1:1 motion tracking. EA stated that their tennis game is not utilising all of the sensing capabilities of WM+, so it would have been absolutely possible for developers to dumb down the controls to appeal to the casuals, IF as Alterego-X said, that was even necessary.

As for the self proclaimed hardcore, a few more of them may have been attracted by the more realistic controls, but seeing as the graphics and third party situation would probably have been the same, it may not have had much of an influence there.



Yes but developers are lemmings. ie. rail shooters, minigame fests, etc

No one would dare to make games less functional bcoz the tech would have made them look like fools. Wii Sports would have already made every user accustomed to using complex movements.



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Hyperion said:
Yeah, WM+ back at launch would have been a pain to our wallets, although I have a feeling NIntendo would still have charged the same...But having 2 attachments to the Wiimote would have been horribly annoying. I thin now is a good time to release it.

That gets me thinking. Is it possible Nintendo could include the technology in WM+ to a remote? Not that they should do it (people would be pissed), but I'm just curious.

We wouldn't have had 2 attachments.  Nintendo would have revamped the controller itself to include the additional functionality.  There wouldn't be a Wiimote/WM+ as there will be now, there would be only the Wiimote.



megaman79 said:
Yes but developers are lemmings. ie. rail shooters, minigame fests, etc

No one would dare to make games less functional bcoz the tech would have made them look like fools. Wii Sports would have already made every user accustomed to using complex movements.

 

You said it yourself.. Everybody would have been accustomed to the more accurate movements. The 'casuals' are the ones that play the games as if their exact movements were being picked up whereas the 'core' gamer is the one that sits on the couch flicking his/her wrist and wondering what's so great about Wii Sports.

WM+ would have made the casuals love it exactly the same but core gamers like it even more because it would require them to stand up and really get into it and that way they'd too be experiencing why everyone loved the console so much.