^ sorry, but no way could NA make up the 700k japanese sales.

I assume you're talking about Metal Gear Solid 4 yes?  And you were joking right?

First of all the gap would be half a million at most.  If the game was Xbox 360 exclusive it would have sold at least 200k on the platform in Japan, at LEAST.

The difference between the "shooter box" Xbox and the Xbox 360 is simply that the Xbox 360 has brilliant games in almost every genre and can sell them.  IT has by no means lost it's ability to sell high caliber shooters by the truckload.  Especially in NA.

MGS4 was the single most hyped PS3 exclusive with the possible exceptions of Killzone 2 and FFXIII (back in the day).  IF that hype had been for the Xbox 360 instead, the game could and would, have sold more.  Comfortably.

just like how NA made up for the lost so4 japanese sales... oh wait...

why do you think the 360 would miraculously increase MGS' fanbase without a major market? you love to claim ps2 owners graduated to the 360... so why would more people just start at the 4th installment of a franchise theyve had access to

You're comparing SO4 to MGS? -_- SO is way bigger in Japan than other places, while MGS is way bigger outside of Japan. Great analogy, there...

^ starcraft, mrstickball, and friends claimed NA would make up for the lost japanese sales. their reasonings were because SO is bigger in NA than Japan and that majority of 360s user base was in NA... they were wrong.

Also its a pretty damn good analogy considering that SO is the only PS2 exclusive game to turn into a 360 exclusive i believe. meaning that that is the only game we can compare a sales trend to... which isnt very good for 360 mgs4 more than ps3 mgs4 arguement

This thread would do better in the Sony forum.

Don't try and cover you terrible and inaccurate analogy by re-interpreting what other people have said.

For reference, here is a post of mine regarding SO4 written prior to my post in this thread.

SO4 is a Japanese Role Playing game.  Some would call MGS4 a stealth game (for which there are decent selling precedents on the Xbox 360), others would more accurately call the latest MGS installment a shooter.  The only shooters on the Xbox 360 that had comparable hype too MGS4 are Gears (less hype) and Halo (more hype). 

If you would like too see how those games did, I think you'd find you're downplaying the ability of the Xbox 360 too shift hyped shooters.

^ you have no evidence of previous ps2 exclusive turning into 360 exclusives and 360 expanding the fanbase. in fact you have one game so4 as evidence that it could potentially castrate itself from the fanbase and sell less and you have games like dmc4 which sold better on ps3 than 360 and i doubt if there were alternate universes and each one had exclusive to the other systems the 360 one would win.

At the end of the day, neither of us can offer definitive proof because we are speculating as too what *may* have happened.

But to recap our existing evidence:

- Max:  Has a comparison between a niche JRPG and a shooter.

- Starcraft:  Has sales figures showing that in America alone the Xbox 360 has shooters that have sold over four million copies extra above the HIGHEST SELLING PS3 shooter in the region.

So yeah, I reckon my argument is pretty compelling, even accepting that neither of us can *win.*

fucking christ, GTA was never ps2 exclusive yet with day and date multiplat realeases and exclusive DLC it still couldnt expand from ps GTA fanbase. this favors the 360 since gta isnt very big in japan. so if it cant expand a fanbase with the help of the ps3, and isnt castrating potential sales from japan what makes you think 360 could increase MGS fanbase without japan?