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BHR-3 on 10 April 2009
SlipperyMooseCakes said:

It is always the next thing that is going to put the PS3 permanetly on top of the 360. Look the PS3 is going to eventually have a price cut but you have to look, so is the 360. If Microsoft follows the strategegy they have been so far they will release a new model, cut an old one and put it at a discounted price. Don't be surprised if the Arcade eventually has a hard drive. Not to mention don't rule out a slim model of the 360. Each side can speculate all they want that when 'x' action happens 'x' console is going to dominate the other. You have to realize that the opposite company is going to counteract with 'x' action to counteract to put 'x' console back on top.

the 360 will be in trouble if the ps3 goes to $300 i dont care wat ur saying u have to look at it mathematically the lowest the 360 can go this year is 150$ i dont think that will happen i think it will be more in the 170-180 range 

but even if it does go to 150$ and the ps3 is 300$ than thats a only 150$ price diff and if you looked at the WW sales for this and past weeks the ps3 is pretty close to outselling it with a hefty 200$ price difference

MS strategy's have failed in my opinion look at there EU strategy they had 2 price cuts last year making the pro sku cheaper than the Wii, EU is the only place were its like that and now the ps3 being more than double than the 360 in that region is selling extremely close to it if that doesnt equal fail to you than i dont know wat does

so im going to be the one to say it if the ps3 gets a 300$ price tag this year "That Will Save It" and put an end to that pic

And yes i did look down ur profiles pic shirt

 



                                                             

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786_ali on 10 April 2009
PalmiNio said:
Granted that the 360 numbers are not great you still have to consider the financial numbers. The PS3 would be great at that price point compared to 360 i the double price meant double the revenue for Sony but since that's far from the case it won’t matter how close the consoles are, the margins is what counts in the end.

Sure, by looking at just the price one can think that Sony is doing good but in terms of money created 360 clearly has the edge while Sony creates profit from PSP and PS2 to cover the losses of PS3.

We also have to face the fact that 360 will always be cheaper. Just because PS3 is at a higher price point and would benefit from a cut doesn’t mean that 360 couldn’t do the same. Clearly MS has a better position with actual margins on 360 by looking at the results so a PS3 pricecut could easily be fought with a new 360 price cut.

Don’t know the price points in the US but currently the price in Euro is 399 Euro. This is 2 years after 499/599 Euro point when introduced.

Looking at 360 we have an arcade on 179 Euro, 3 years after the introduction on 299 Euro. For the pro the price cut is better, from 399 Euro to 239 Euro. Don’t know about all of Europe but in Sweden the Pro is the SKU that pushes the most units today.

So the cheapest machine for 360 have more or less the same price distance since the start and from year 2 year the gap has increased.

That’s why I doubt that a price cut from Sony will change anything in the near future. Firstly due to the fact that they are in bad situation when looking at the margins, a 100 dollar/euro slash would put the console in red again. A 50 dollar/euro slash could easily be countered from MS and we would be back on the track again.

So basically, if the sales compared to the price really mattered then the 360 should have been doomed from start but it hasn’t.

Not saying that Sony is doing bad with PS3 but from a financial view it’s the worst machine out there.

A price cut would be effective because people who have been holding off a ps3 purchase will buy it due to the affordability.

 



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Baggins on 10 April 2009

CGI...Go and find a dictionary your definition of fairly basic words is wrong.



nen-suer on 10 April 2009
SlipperyMooseCakes said:
CGI-Quality said:
SlipperyMooseCakes said:

 

It is always the next thing that is going to put the PS3 permanetly on top of the 360. Look the PS3 is going to eventually have a price cut but you have to look, so is the 360. If Microsoft follows the strategegy they have been so far they will release a new model, cut an old one and put it at a discounted price. Don't be surprised if the Arcade eventually has a hard drive. Not to mention don't rule out a slim model of the 360. Each side can speculate all they want that when 'x' action happens 'x' console is going to dominate the other. You have to realize that the opposite company is going to counteract with 'x' action to counteract to put 'x' console back on top.

What we have here is a case of insecurity..... Now tell me, how does that contribute anything productive to this thread, especially when the person who made the comment the OP is referring to ISN'T a PS3 "fanboy"?

 

 

Not really, it is the same routine over and over again. The images are for some of the people who responded to the thread with the "wait for the price cut" slogan. You look to be a bit insecure there, Mr. PS3 fan.

 

Funny that you keep an eye for all Ps3 games and news but still call other pepole inscure



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Baggins on 10 April 2009

...Oh and actually CGI quality you DID TRASH TALK the Xbox 360 when you first joined up here early\mid last year.

You were one of the biggest douchebags on the site. I'm not flaming here, (mods go and check for proof).

If someone disagreed with anything you said about the PS3 being better than the Xbox 360 you would say things like "just don't talk to me"...

It sticks in my mind because you were acting worse than a pre-teen child who couldn't get his sweets...and you're in your 30s right?...Pretty sure that used to be on your profile.

So yeah sure, you are a decent guy now. But you sure as hell weren't back then!



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Esmoreit on 10 April 2009

I thought that it was already established that price is hardly a factor. If that would be the case, then the wii would be consistantly outsold by the X360.

More factors are at play. Appeal to the crowd. Games. Support. Social ties.

And I don't call a one week point of reference a trend.



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reask on 10 April 2009
Squilliam said:
786_ali said:
it's because despite the ps3's double price, it sold almost as much as the 360

Actually the PS3 is free and despite of this it sold less than the 360.

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Xxain on 10 April 2009
Seihyouken said:

Well, looking at the grand scheme of things, it isn't hard to see why someone would say that.

Looking at the recent adjustments made, between the weeks of February 28th and April 4th, 360 sold a grand total of 4,802 console above the PS3 worldwide. Taking into account that the 360 is at least half the price of the PS3 in every region (less than half in Europe) those are some pretty surprising numbers.

What is probably getting Sony fanboys excited about this is the fact that this is the 360's time to shine and really solidify their lead over PS3 for the rest of the generation. Since its price drop in September, 360 has been enjoying the highest price difference with the PS3 it will have all generation. Microsoft really needs to take advantage of this period since when the PS3 inevitably drops in price later this year, 360 will most likely never outsell the PS3 at the pace it has this last several months again, and possibly rarely ever again at all.

Pretty much the mentality of the PS3 fanboy seeing the recently adjusted numbers is: "If the 360 can only barely outsell the PS3 when it's at least half the price and has at least a $200 difference between it and the PS3, how is it going to hold up when the difference drops to $150 or possibly even $100 later this year and the years left to come this generation?"


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Xxain on 10 April 2009

and CGI is not in his 30's............hes 52 Dammit!!



saicho on 10 April 2009
BHR-3 said:
SlipperyMooseCakes said:

It is always the next thing that is going to put the PS3 permanetly on top of the 360. Look the PS3 is going to eventually have a price cut but you have to look, so is the 360. If Microsoft follows the strategegy they have been so far they will release a new model, cut an old one and put it at a discounted price. Don't be surprised if the Arcade eventually has a hard drive. Not to mention don't rule out a slim model of the 360. Each side can speculate all they want that when 'x' action happens 'x' console is going to dominate the other. You have to realize that the opposite company is going to counteract with 'x' action to counteract to put 'x' console back on top.

the 360 will be in trouble if the ps3 goes to $300 i dont care wat ur saying u have to look at it mathematically the lowest the 360 can go this year is 150$ i dont think that will happen i think it will be more in the 170-180 range 

but even if it does go to 150$ and the ps3 is 300$ than thats a only 150$ price diff and if you looked at the WW sales for this and past weeks the ps3 is pretty close to outselling it with a hefty 200$ price difference

MS strategy's have failed in my opinion look at there EU strategy they had 2 price cuts last year making the pro sku cheaper than the Wii, EU is the only place were its like that and now the ps3 being more than double than the 360 in that region is selling extremely close to it if that doesnt equal fail to you than i dont know wat does

so im going to be the one to say it if the ps3 gets a 300$ price tag this year "That Will Save It" and put an end to that pic

And yes i did look down ur profiles pic shirt

 

Assuming what you stated is true, the question reamins. When is the pricecut gonna happen? Are you sure it's gonna be this year? What if it doesn't happen this year? Also, PS3 will be count as saved by pricecut if PS3 outsells 360 after PS3 hits $300?

 



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