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Feylic on 10 April 2009
Luney Tune said:
Procrastinato said:

^^^ The PS3 upscales with a combination of hardware (vertical) and software (horizontal), as I recall. Frankly a lot of people would say the PS3's upscaling has better output than the hardware upscaler in the 360, especially for DVDs. Probably has something to do with a custom scaling algorithm that's not just built into a cheap off-the-shelf component.

That being said, if you tell a PS3 that a certain resolution is supported on your TV, but you don't like said resolution... why don't you just disable it as an option for your gaming?

The 360 scaler is very high quality and works 100% with all games. Upscaled DVD doesn't look all that good on the 360 because the playback software (not the scaler) is crap.

The 1080i/p software scaling quality on the PS3 is sometimes on par with the 360, but often it looks considerably worse. And half the PS3 game library doesn't support any kind of scaling at all. If I disable 720p in the video menu, then games like Valkyria Chronicles, Heavenly Sword, and Uncharted (PAL version), will only display at 480p. There's no way to force these games to display at 1080i/p.

Typically games that can be forced to run at 1080i/p (by disabling 720p in the video menu), looks blurry and low res. Games that list 1080i/p support at the back of the box tend to look fine.

 

Don't think that's true...      

 PS3 games list the native outputs on the back of the box, 360 just lists all of the ones the 360 can produce.

 



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Luney Tune on 10 April 2009
Feylic said:

Don't think that's true...      

PS3 games list the native outputs on the back of the box, 360 just lists all of the ones the 360 can produce.

It says 1080i/p support at the back of the box on both Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Disgaea 3 in my PS3 collection. Yet AFAIK both games render at 720p only.



Ascended_Saiyan3 on 10 April 2009
Luney Tune said:
Feylic said:

Don't think that's true...      

PS3 games list the native outputs on the back of the box, 360 just lists all of the ones the 360 can produce.

It says 1080i/p support at the back of the box on both Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Disgaea 3 in my PS3 collection. Yet AFAIK both games render at 720p only.

You are wrong.  Feylic is correct.  Ninja Gaiden Sigma WILL be upscaled to 1080p if you UNCHECK 720p as a display option.  Uncharted will do the same thing.  MS started adding the 1080p on the back of the boxes after Sony talked about native 1080p gaming for the PS3.

Only the native resolution matters for MOST HDTVs anyway.  The TV will upscale the image to it's native resolution. Example: If it's a 1080p TV, ALL signals are upscaled via the TV to 1080p.  The only people left out in the cold, from the console not upscaling, would be the people that were uninformed enough to buy a HD-Ready rear projection CRT TVs.

 



Luney Tune on 10 April 2009
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:

You are wrong.  Feylic is correct.  Ninja Gaiden Sigma WILL be upscaled to 1080p if you UNCHECK 720p as a display option.  Uncharted will do the same thing.  MS started adding the 1080p on the back of the boxes after Sony talked about native 1080p gaming for the PS3.

Only the native resolution matters for MOST HDTVs anyway.  The TV will upscale the image to it's native resolution. Example: If it's a 1080p TV, ALL signals are upscaled via the TV to 1080p.  The only people left out in the cold, from the console not upscaling, would be the people that were uninformed enough to buy a HD-Ready rear projection CRT TVs.

 

Uh, I suggest you go back and read what I wrote once more. I never said Sigma doesn't support 1080i/p, and I was talking about the PAL version of Uncharted which does not support 1080i/p in any way.

You do not want your TV to upscale the picture unless you're fond of input lag and shit image quality.

All HD CRT's manufactured before a certain date (as well as many newer sets) does not support 720p. Buying such a TV back when 720p didn't exist has nothing to do with being uninformed. Not to mention that HD CRT's still provide the best image quality money can buy, and the lightning fast response times make them especially well suited for gaming.

 



Munkeh111 on 10 April 2009

Many PS3 games do say 1080p on the back of the box when they are not natively rendered at that resolution, but I don't have any on hand to prove it



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haxxiy on 10 April 2009
Munkeh111 said:
Many PS3 games do say 1080p on the back of the box when they are not natively rendered at that resolution, but I don't have any on hand to prove it

PS3 has more native 1080p games than X360. Every single X360 game can upscale up to 1080i/p because MS asks developers to work on it. Some PS3 games upscale to 1080p.

 



 

 

 

 

 

Xen on 10 April 2009
Luney Tune said:
Procrastinato said:

^^^ The PS3 upscales with a combination of hardware (vertical) and software (horizontal), as I recall. Frankly a lot of people would say the PS3's upscaling has better output than the hardware upscaler in the 360, especially for DVDs. Probably has something to do with a custom scaling algorithm that's not just built into a cheap off-the-shelf component.

That being said, if you tell a PS3 that a certain resolution is supported on your TV, but you don't like said resolution... why don't you just disable it as an option for your gaming?

The 360 scaler is very high quality and works 100% with all games. Upscaled DVD doesn't look all that good on the 360 because the playback software (not the scaler) is crap.

The 1080i/p software scaling quality on the PS3 is sometimes on par with the 360, but often it looks considerably worse. And half the PS3 game library doesn't support any kind of scaling at all. If I disable 720p in the video menu, then games like Valkyria Chronicles, Heavenly Sword, and Uncharted (PAL version), will only display at 480p. There's no way to force these games to display at 1080i/p.

Typically games that can be forced to run at 1080i/p (by disabling 720p in the video menu), looks blurry and low res. Games that list 1080i/p support at the back of the box tend to look fine.

 

Lol, this is bullshit. I've set my PS3 output to 1080i and it looked EXACTLY like 720p (mainly because they are extremely similar). I didn't get any 480p.

 



dbot on 10 April 2009

Halo 3 has 1080p on the back of the box, but I am pretty sure it was 720p. Will all 360 games scale to 1080p?




Thanks for the input, Jeff.

 

 

Xen on 10 April 2009

Technically, Halo 3 is 640p native...



rckrz6 on 10 April 2009

Here is a list of all the native resolutions on most games for 360/ps3

Ill make a seperate thread as most people will be interested in viewing this

Playstation 3

Afro Samurai = 1280x720 (QAA)
Alone in the Dark = 1120x630 (no AA)
Army of Two = 1280x720 (no AA)
Assassin's Creed = 1280x720 (QAA)
Battlefield: Bad Company = 1280x720 (no AA)
Beijing 2008 = 1024x768 (no AA)
Beowulf = 1280x720 (no AA)
Bioshock = 680p (no AA, blur filter)
Bourne Conspiracy, The (demo) = 1280x720 (no AA)
Burnout: Paradise = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Call of Duty 3 (screenshot) ~1088x624 (2xAA)
Call of Duty 4 = 1024x600 (2x AA)
Call of Duty: World at War = 1024x600 (2x AA)
Cars Mater-National = 1280x720 (QAA), 1920x1080 (QAA)
Conan (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
Condemned 2 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Conflict: Denied Ops = 1280x720 (no AA) or 960x1080
Dark Sector = 1152x640 (no AA)
Darkness, The (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
Dead Space = 1280x720 (no AA)
Def Jam Icon (screenshot) = 1152x648 (no AA)
Devil May Cry 4 = 1280x720 (2xAA, temporal)
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion = 1280x720 (no AA)
FaceBreaker = 1280x720 (QAA), 960x1080
Fallout 3 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Far Cry 2 = 1274x692 (QAA, centered on 720p window)
Fifa Street 3 = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Full Auto 2 (demo) = 1920x1080 (4x AA)
Fracture = 1152x648 (no AA)
Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2 = 1280x720
Golden Axe: Beast Rider = 1280x720 (no AA, blur filter)
Golden Compass = 1280x720 (no AA)
Grand Theft Auto IV = 1152x640 (no AA)
GT5 Prologue (demo) = 1080p mode is 1280x1080 (2xAA) in-game while the garage/pit/showrooms are 1920x1080 with no AA. 720p mode is 1280x720 (4xAA)
Guitar Hero 3 = 1040x585 (no AA)
Guitar Hero Aerosmith = 1040x585 (no AA)
Guitar Hero World Tour = 1040x585 (no AA)
Haze (demo) = 1024x576 (2xAA)
Heavenly Sword = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Incredible Hulk = 1280x720 (no AA), 960x1080 (no AA)
Jericho (demo) = 996x560 (2x AA)
Juiced 2: Hot Import Nights = 1280x720 (QAA)
Kung Fu Panda = 1280x720 (no AA), 960x1080 (no AA)
Lair = 800x1080 (2xAA) - AA buffers are merged to produce 1600x1080 for further scaling
Legend of Spyro: Dawn of the Dragon, The = 1280x720 (no AA)
Legendary = 1280x720 (no AA)
LEGO: Batman = 1280x720 (no AA, slight blur filter)
LEGO: Indiana Jones = 1280x720 (no AA), 960x1080 (no AA)
Lord of the Rings: Conquest = 640p (no AA)
Lost Planet = 1280x720 (temporal 2xAA)
Madden NFL '09 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (screenshot) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Mercenaries 2: World in Flames = 1280x720 (no AA)
Metal Gear Online = 1024x768 (2xAA, temporal)
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriot = 1024x768 (2xAA, temporal)
Midnight Club: Los Angeles = 960x720 (QAA)
Mirror's Edge = 1280x720 (no AA)
MK vs DC = 1024x576 (QAA)
MLB08: The Show = 1280x720 (2xAA) - The rendering window is adjustable down to 576p without upscaling to 720p i.e. the frame has black borders
MLB09: The Show = 1280x720 (2xAA) or 1920x1080 (no AA)
Motorstorm = 1280x720 (2xAA)
MX vs ATV (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
NBA07 (demo) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
NBA08 (demo) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
NBA Live '08 = 1280x720 (no AA)
NBA Street Home court (screenshot) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Need For Speed: Undercover = 1280x720 (QAA)
NFL Tour = 1280x720 (no AA, poor framerate)
NHL '09 = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Ninja Gaiden: Sigma = 1280x720 (has weird scaling to support 1080p)
Overlord = 1280x720 (no AA)
Pirates des Caraibes (screenshot) = 768x1080 (no AA)
960x720 en mode 720p
Prince of Persia = 1280x720
Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 = 1280x720 (QAA)
Quake Wars: Enemy Territory = 1280x720 (no AA)
Race Driver: GRID = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Rainbow Six Vegas 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction = 1280x704 (2xAA, centered on 720p output)
Resident Evil 5 = 1280x720 (dynamic 0-QAA)
Resistance: Fall of Man = 1280x720 (QAA)
Resistance 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA - GDC09 slides)
Ridge Racer 7 (demo) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Rise of the Argonauts = 1280x720 (no AA)
Ryu Ga Gotoku 3 = 1024x768 (no AA)
Saint's Row 2 = 640p (QAA)
SCORE International Baja 1000 = 1280x720 (no AA)
SEGA: Rally Revo = 1280x720 (4xAA, alpha blend)
SEGA: Superstars Tennis = 1280x720 (QAA, 30fps)
Silent Hill: Homecoming = 1024x576 (no AA)
Skate = 1280x720 (no AA)
Soldier of Fortune: Payback = 1280x720 (no AA)
Sonic Unleashed = 880x720 (blur filter)
Soul Calibur IV = 1280x720 (no AA), 1280x576 in 1080p mode
Spiderman: Web of Shadows = 1280x720 (no AA)
Street Fighter IV = 1280x720 (no AA), 630p in up-close character view?
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed = 1280x720 (no AA)
Tiger Woods PGA Tour '09 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Tomb Raider: Underworld = 1280x720 (QAA)
Tom Clancy's EndWar = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Tom Clancy's HAWX = 1280x720 (no AA)
Tony Hawk's Project 8 = 1280x720
Tony Hawk's Proving Ground (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
Top Spin 3 = 1280x720 (QAA)
Transformers (screenshot) = 960x1080 (no AA)
Turning Point: Fall of Liberty = 1280x720 (no AA)
Turok = 1280x720 (no AA)
Viking: Battle for Asgard = 960x720 (2xAA) - AA buffers are merged to a 1920x720 framebuffer, which is then downscaled to 1280x720
Virtua Fighter 5 (screenshot) = 1024x1024 (no AA)
1024x768 en mode 1080p
Virtua Tennis 3 (demo) = 1920x1080 (2x AA)
WWE 08 (screenshot) = ? 640x720 ? (2x AA) - les edges ont l'aparence du 1280x720 mais d'apres certain artefact il semble que ce soit le resultat de la fusion de 2 buffers MSAA 640x720
translation StefanS: "The edges give the impression of being 1280x720p, but because of a certain artifact it seems that it is the result of the fusion of 2 MSAA buffers of resolution 640x720"
UEFA Euro 2008 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Unreal Tournament III = 1280x720 (no AA)
WALL E = 1280x720 (no AA)
Wanted = 1120x640 (no AA)
World Series Of Poker 2008 = 1920x1080 (2xAA)


PSN GAMES

1942: Joint Strike = 1280x720 (4xAA) or 1920x1080 (2xAA)
Blast Factor = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Bionic Commando: Rearmed = 1280x720 (no AA)
Calling All Cars (screenshot) = 1920x1080 (4x AA)
Commando 3 = 1280x720 (4xAA) or 1920x1080 (2xAA)
Echochrome = 1920x1080 (2xAA)
Elefunk = 1920x1080 (4xAA)
Forbidden Siren = 1024x512 (4xAA)
Go Puzzle = 1920x1080
GTHD = 1440x1080 (no AA) - Vehicle selection is rendered at 1920x1080
High Velocity Bowling = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Locoroco Cocoreccho = 1920x1080 (2x AA)
Mainichi Issyo = 1440x1080 (4xAA)
Pixel Junk Monsters/Racers/Eden = 1920x1080
Rocketmen = 1920x1080 (2xAA)
Rub'a'dub = 1600x1080 (no AA)
Snakeball = 1280x1080 (no AA)
Stardust HD = 1280x1080 (no AA)
Sudoku = 1920x1080
Super Rub-a-Dub = 1600x1080
Tekken 5 Dark Ressurection (screenshot) = 1920x1080 (no AA), not always?
Warhawk = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Wipeout HD = dynamic-framerate-dependent 1080p framebuffer (1280x1080 to 1920x1080)
Wolf of the Battlefield: Commando 3 = 1920x1080 (2xAA)



Xbox 360

Afro Samurai = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Alone in the Dark = 1040x600 (2xAA)
Army of Two = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Assassin's Creed = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Battlefield: Bad Company = 1280x720 (no AA)
Beijing 2008 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Beowulf = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Bioshock = 1280x720 (no AA)
Burnout: Paradise = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Call of Duty 3 (screenshot) = 1040x624 (2xAA)
Call of Duty 4 (screenshot) = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Call of Duty: World at War = 1024x600 (2x AA)
Cars Mater-National = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Club, The = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Conan (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
Condemned 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Conflict: Denied Ops (demo) = 1280x720p (2xAA)
Crash Time = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Dark Sector = 1280x720 (no AA)
Dead or Alive 4 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Dead Rising = 1280x720 ( up to 4xAA depending on frame rate)
Dead Space = 1280x720 (no AA)
Devil May Cry 4 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Don King Prizefighter = 1024x630 (2xAA)
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion = 1024x600 (2xAA) - Same for GOTY Edition!
Fallout 3 = 1280x720 (4xAA, certain edges)
Far Cry 2 = 1280x696 (2xAA, centered on 720p window)
F.E.A.R. = 1280x720 (2xAA)
F.E.A.R. 2 = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Fable II = 1120x720 (blur filter, 2xMSAA possibly)
FaceBreaker = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Fifa 2006 (demo) = 1024x576 (2xAA)
Fifa 2007 (demo) = 1200x675 (no AA)
Fifa Street 3 = 1920x1080 (4xAA)
Fracture = 1280x720 (no AA)
Forza 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA in-game, 4xAA replay & vehicle select)
Gears of War = 1280x720 (HD), 960x720 (SD) (2xAA on static objects?)
Gears of War 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA, certain edges unaffected)
Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Golden Axe: Beast Rider = 1280x720 (no AA, blur filter)
Golden Compass = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Grand Theft Auto IV = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Guitar Hero 3 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Guitar Hero Aerosmith = 1280x720 (no AA)
Guitar Hero World Tour = 1280x720 (no AA)
Halo 3 = 1152x640 (no AA)
Halo Wars = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Incredible Hulk = 1280x720 (full screen blur)
Juiced 2: Hot Import Nights = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Kung Fu Panda = 1280x720 (no AA)
Legend of Spyro: Dawn of the Dragon, The = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Legendary = 1280x720 (no AA)
LEGO: Batman = 1280x720 (2xAA)
LEGO: Indiana Jones = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Lord of the Rings: Conquest = 1280x720 (no AA)
Lost Planet = 1280x720 (up to 4x MSAA dependent on framerate)
Madden NFL '09 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Mass Effect = 1280x720 (2xAA, certain edges are unaffected)
Mercenaries 2: World in Flames = 1280x720 (no MSAA, but depth/Z-based edge blur?)
Midnight Club: Los Angeles = 1280x720 (2xAA?)
Mirror's Edge = 1280x720 (2xAA)
MK vs DC = 1024x576 (2xAA)
MotoGP 2006 (screenshot) = 1280x1024 (framebuffer grab from AVS Forum member)
MX vs ATV = 1280x720 (no AA)
NBA Live '08 = 1280x720 (4xAA)
NBA Street Home court (demo) = 1920x1080 (4xAA)
NCAA Football 08 (demo) = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Need For Speed: Undercover = 1280x720 (4xAA)
NFL Tour = 1280x720 (4xAA, 60fps)
NHL '09 = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Ninja Gaiden 2 = 1120x585 (2xAA)
Overlord = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Perfect Dark Zero (demo) = 1152x640 (no AA)
Prince of Persia = 1280x720
Pro Evolution Soccer 6 (demo) = 1024x576 (2xAA)
Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Project Gotham Racing 3 (demo) = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Project Gotham Racing 4 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Quake 4 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Quake Wars: Enemy Territory = 1280x720 (2xAA + blur)
Race Driver: GRID = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Race Pro = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Rainbow Six Vegas 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Resident Evil 5 = 1280x720 (dynamic 0-4xAA)
Ridge Racer 6 (demo) = 1440x810 (no AA)
Rise of the Argonauts = 1280x720 (2xAA, however post processing is likely interfering with the AA resolve in certain cases )
Saint's Row 2 = 640p (2xAA)
SCORE International Baja 1000 = 1280x720 (4xAA)
SEGA: Rally Revo = 1280x720 (4xAA, alpha to coverage)
SEGA: Superstars Tennis = 1280x720 (2xAA, 30fps)
Shadowrun = 1280x720 (2xAA) - Gamefest '07
Silent Hill: Homecoming = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Skate = 1280x720 (2xAA ? )
Soldier of Fortune: Payback = 1280x720 (4xAA ?)
Soul Calibur IV = 1365x960 (no AA, software scaled to 720p)
Sonic Unleashed = 880x720 (2xAA)
Spiderman: Web of Shadows = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Splinter Cell Double Agent = 1280x720 (4xAA) (developer)
Star Ocean 4 = 1248x702 no AA field, 882x496 no AA in battle
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed = 1280x720 (no AA)
Street Fighter IV = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Tiger Woods PGA Tour '09 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Tomb Raider Legend = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Tomb Raider Underworld = 1024x576 (2xAA) - depth buffer is 1040x576
Tom Clancy's EndWar = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Tom Clancy's HAWX = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Tony Hawk's Project 8 (screenshot) = 1040x585 (2xAA)
Tony Hawk's Proving Ground = 1280x720
Top Spin 3 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Turning Point: Fall of Liberty = 1280x720 (no AA)
Turok = 1280x720 (no AA)
UEFA Euro 2008 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Unreal Tournament III = 1280x720 (2xAA ala Gears...)
Virtua Fighter 5 (demo) = 1024x1024 (4xAA)
Virtua Tennis 3 (demo) = 1920x1080 (2xAA)
WALL E = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Wanted = 1120x640 (no AA)

XBL GAMES

1942: Joint Strike = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Bionic Commando: Rearmed = 1280x720 (no AA)
Boogie Bunnies = 1920x1080 (4xAA)
Commando 3 = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Ikaruga = 540x720 (4xAA, centered on 1280x720 frame)
Rez HD = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Wolf of the Battlefield: Commando 3 = 1280x720 (4xAA)

source: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241