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fmc83 said:

 

What about all the republican tratra about, don't ask what the country can do for you, ask yourself what you can do for the country?

 

halogamer1989 said:





It's like saying: let's cut off about at least 20% of your US-population from everything except food. You want to create illiterate people and people who die of minor diseases and if not ridicilous prices, because private sectors want to maximize profits. I still have to admit, that all the private thing whit sponsoring of schools etc. might work in a small town, but the world isn't a small town, and a large percentage of the people on earth don't live in a small town (if not the majority). That's funwise exactly the point, why the world was laughing hard about the Bush-administration (the laughing kind of wasn't funny in the end, with this crisis as a result of bad politics).

 

Ironically, the line in bold was said by a Democrat, John F. Kennedy.

That was back when the Democratic party was very different however (and so was the Republican party).

As for the rest of it. The US education system was not run by the Federal Government until 1953. In 1952, we had great schools, and everyone was educated. This is another fallacy that if Government doesn't do it, it wont get done. In fact, government running it has made it much worse.

Putting roofs over the heads of people is largely done by the private sector as well. And of the ones in those environments, 1/3 of the kids end up in jail. There has to be a better way.

The government should not be feeding and housing people (as people will do that for them). What they should be doing is improving government in a way where as many hurdles as posable to improve your life are taken away.



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NintendoMan said:
Capitalism is greedy. If I could work my will every idiot who goes around with 'capitalism is good', 'yay for capitalism', capitalists are good', would be cooked in their own juices and buried with stakes of holly through their hearts.

You're not alone. Every dictator and communist leader felt the same way.

And Capitalism is not greedy, people are. If you can find a way to remove that trait from humans, you let me know.

 



If Capitalism sufferes from greed, then Socialism suffers from lazy.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

My opinion of both systems: Look at the track records of capitalism vs. socialism and compare them.



 

 

Tyrannical said:
If Capitalism sufferes from greed, then Socialism suffers from lazy.

 

You are totally right. So why not mix the best of both theories to keep it in a balance???



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Socialism and capitalism aren't two mutually exclusive black and white things, its more of a sliding scale.

I'm all for capitalism as humans naturally do what advantages them, if hard work doesn't advantage them then they won't do hard work. However I'm also for socialism in the form of things such as minimum wage, universal healthcare, education and the dole.

Essentially I see it as capitalism to keep people striving for the top and socialism to keep people sliding off the bottom.

Edit: Pure capitalism without the tinge of socialism is an evil evil idealogy, it essentially encourages people to stomp others down on their way up. Sweatshops and explotation are what happens in a purely capitalist world. Pure socialism is much better idealogically but just as bad if not worse in reality, humans don't work if it doesn't advantage them and the Soviet economy is an example of this - it just ended up imploding.



Health, Safety, Infrastructure (roads, electricity, interwebz, etc.).

Those 3 things should always be handled by the government. Otherwise why the hell do you even bother having a country to begin with?



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Hmmm. I obviously agree with the opening post. It makes perfectly logical sense. I think though the idea that a completely free market is a great motivator and provider of good and services. I guess what I'm saying is that their needs to be oversight. We've all grown up in a mixed market system that has seemed to work quite well. For example, the whole immigration issue is about the economy even though people claim it's about national security. It's really a socialist construction to protect wages. I guess it's a problem with globalization and unified world in a sense. The bargaining power of an individual continually decreases as the labor pool greatly expands. I don't think anyone here is advocating a central planned econonmy but rather a government oversight because any business has a myopic vision because by it's very nature it has to be.





I don't want public schools and everything to be private; I just want teachers to actually teach instead of filling kids with nonsense and not doing their jobs. I would like to abolish the DOE, however.



halogamer1989 said:
I don't want public schools and everything to be private; I just want teachers to actually teach instead of filling kids with nonsense and not doing their jobs. I would like to abolish the DOE, however.

I'm confused. Do you mean most teachers? What nonsense are they filling kids' heads with? And how, exactly, aren't they doing their jobs?