EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING !!!!!

It's my opinion that Ninty wern't too sure of the Wii's success at the time they started the development of those titles , I think they wanted to bring out all their big guns to ensure success of the risky , but consequently highly rewarding strategy of bringing out low spec'd but highly innovative hardware. It baffles me why they still decided to release those titles in 08 when it was clear that the Wii was selling excellently regardless of software support ,. I have a few theories about why.

A.Nintendo had confidence that 3rd party developers would mostly carry the Wii for the rest of the gen .

B.Nintendo though the Wii XXX series (Sports,Play) would have a bigger significance to the Wii's performance.

C.They had 4 pieces of finished code on the table and wanted to maximise their profits for the financial year.

D.Maybe Nintendo executives themselves were fearing the Wii was a fad ?

I'd also like to add that I do not think the Wii is the console for the core gamer this gen , it's the PS2 of this generation without the heavy 3rd party support , it's trying to grab every demographic but consequently the traditional one is IMO left behind . The Wii's great as a PSWII  WII360 combo but for the core gamer I don't think it's adequet , partly because of Nintendo's timing but mostly because of the sheer lack of quality core titles in comparison to the 360,PS3.

Oh yes, I don't disagree with you. But it's not just perception though. It's only a small group that's affected by this, because most people would not have bought most of these games already through the year. As Wii software sales were through the roof in Nov+Dec it proves that the majority of Wii owners did not see Q4 as a drought at all.

So postponing Brawl and Kart would have only helped the core audience, but those are the same people that would have complained massively about a delay. Basically it's like Iwata sais: Core fans can't be satisfied ever.

But 3rd parties were the real issue here. They had a good chance on success with low Nintendo competition. Only a few (Activision, Ubisoft) took advantage.

2008 wasn't bad for Nintendo. This year is another matter, now that some of the heavy hitter Nintendo titles are out the door.

however as Benga has pointed out, there is a _Fantastic_ chance for success for third parties. Someone just needs to stand up and be counted. I realise that isn't easy, esp with some dual console owners. I'm personally a "PSWii" owner, offering the same game on both platforms for me means automatic PS3 buy, so 3rd parties do need to try out different ideas, esp with cross platform.

@Soriku I think you'll find the HD consoles still beat the in terms of quantity at least if you take away FPS's but that's irrelevant . I won't dispute the fact that people may use the Wii purely for the core experience , i'm not trying to call anyone who does a casual gamer or a fanboy .

But when you look at what the HD consoles offer to the core gamer , it seems hard to justify using the Wii as your only core console. This gen Sony and MS and seem to have a greater respect for the core gamer than Nintendo do, probably due to the fact that their success relies more heavily on the core gamer, traditional developers seem to have more respect and confidence in the HD consoles which translates to more 3rd party support .

I read Nitnendo was considering not releasing a core game released in Japan in the US , this may even shed light on Nintendo's stance with the core gamer.

I think you're way too narrowminded to determine what core games actually are. I see this behaviour so often and it's really dumb. I use my Wii as a core console, just as I use my 360 and DS as core consoles. They serve different needs, but one need is not less or more important than the other. If you like what Wii offers it's more than sufficient to serve as your only console. It's the narrowminded elitist that somehow don't want to see that.

Could I have played Fire Emblem on 360? No. Could I have played Mass Effect on Wii? No. Just two of my favorite games this gen. Both are definitely core games.

Above I posted a list of games Nintendo has released in just two years. If you see that as "no respect for the core gamer" you're delusional, really.

 I have a 360 and a Wii. I honestly could not disagree with you more. The Wii gets more of my time for core games. A lot of the core game advantage the PS360 has comes from a couple of genres really. Then again, I am an extremely picky gamer who thinks most games suck and aren't worth playing.

People talk about good timing for releasing games in terms of driving console sales but Nintendo obviously knew very early last year that this wasn't going to be an issue for them all year, i.e. the Wii was going to sell out. I think they knew very well the potentially monster hits they had in Wii Fit, Mario Kart and Smash Brothers and made the decision to release them earlier in the year to give them as much time on the market as possible.

That is by far the most annoying thing about arguing with Wii supporter , your not any better than me because you support the Wii, because I own and support a console that's in 3rd place , stop trying to claim high ground , if you want to counter argue just use logic , i'm not an idiot I'll conceede if I feel i've been beat.

I think one of the problems arise with our definitions of core titles , maybe yours differs from mine , i'm not going to call you "narrow minded" or your point of view "dumb" for that reason.

Like I said before I won't dispute the notion of the Wii being used exclusivley as core console , but like you said you use the Wii alongside other consoles 360, DS etc which all fulfil different needs,this somewhat supports the idea that the Wii is inadequet as a standalone core experience . your speaking anedotaly which pretty much means nothing , in order to proove a point we have to use to most objective information availible to us( it may not be totaly objective but it's better than anecdotes.

So what if one title is availible on one console and not on another , we're talking about an experience and experiences require a libary not individual titles.

And please quote me properly , I never at any point said "no respect for the core gamer" , debate fairly please .

Yes Nintendo has released a fair number of core titles but  that's irrelevant , the core consumer doesn't care about how many core titles Nintendo released , they care about a libary of core titles availbile to them , what they can buy . If you compare the number of core titles availble on the Wii in that period to what was availible on either the PS3/360 then I think you'll find that the Wii get's blown out of the water.

What is also important is that there is a steady and constant flow of core titles availble to the consumer , it's not just about the total number of titles availble . This spring has seen no major 1st party offerings a fairly insignificant 3rd party offering Madworld ( which may go on to sell a million but that's irrelevant ) , when I speak of respect i'm not talking about respect in the mind but respect through action , Nintendo might very well love and adore the core gamer but their actions make them apear very neglectful.

@ BengaBenga )

Is it really needed to call him "narrowminded", "dumb", a "narrowminded elitist" and "delusional" for his theory, that core gamers, that have a Wii, may be seduced to buy another system to fullfil their "core exerience" needs by the quantity, quality and variety the competition has to offer in that aspect ?

Netiquette plz