So both WessleWoggle and The_Vagabond7 are ex Bible thumping religious zealots. Who else?

Good movie...but ya there is truth in that. If you can't insult, it's better to shut your mouth. Anyone can seem smart if they keep their mouth shut!

wow this thread lives...

anyway here's a quick update

the ads got approved, some buses in Ottawa now have billbaords on the side with the slogan 'Their is probably no God so stop worrying and enjoy your life'

their nice too, in a very Apple-ish hot pink and white

Since somebody necrod this topic, I'm going to repost something from much earlier that seems to have been ignored by relevant parties.

sorry, my firefox with no script tends to shove everything together. I fixed it.

That doesn't actually answer any questions though. If a person earnestly seeks god for over twenty years, does so in numerous branches of christianity, judaism, islam, eastern religions, spends more than twenty years praying to be shown truth, and be shown nothing except that religions are bunk, and the holy books even bunkier (if that's a word). If god "wants" people in his life and yet refuses to reveal himself to the majority of the world, and the people he doesn't reveal himself to are going to be punished for his hiding, what does that say about the man? I mean do you really believe that only the people who are now christians were actually seeking god? And you don't think it's fishy that the people seeking him all seem to share geographic location? I guess the people of bosnia could care less about religious truth, and don't think too much about it. They only found allah.



I don't think man is intrinsically evil, I think that is a terrible view. I think man is intrisically flawed for the world we are trying to create. We aren't built to create massive, peaceful world civilizations. It is genetically built into our brains through millions of years of survival to form groups, procreate, grab as much as we can for status and pleasure, and conquer other groups. But I think we inherently also have the ability for kindness and empathy, genetically we are pre-disposed towards good things too. Our biggest advantage is our ability to understand this, to look inside ourselves something the vast majority of animals are incapable of. Our self awareness grants us the ability to resist and overcome our xenophobic, us vs them mentality, and our desire for status, power and to be the alpha in our pack. The world we are trying to live in now is not the savage world we grew up in, but we still retain the same tribal, and often animal mentalities that got us this far. But I do not see this as "evil" though, no more than I see a wolf that preys on a wounded lamb as being "evil". But the difference between us and the wolf, is that we no longer need to prey on the weak in order to survive.

^Great post! i love your view on evil! Very informative and accurate!

I agree that the sign should be allowed to remain but thats because I haven't objected to the billboards promoting religion either. Either promote christianity/athiesm/whatever openly or not at all. Even though I disagree with the Christian message, I cannot deny them the right to say it.

My take on religion is if there was one 'obvious' compass to a specific religion. I.E it was the true word of God then it would be winning the battle for conversions. As it stands right now if you're born in a muslim country you become a muslim, if you're born in a Christian country you're likely to become a christian. If you're born in some wackjobs barn then you're likely to believe in what that wackjob believes etc. Since theres no obvious winner then I deduct that theres no one true religion.

FAIL...

Here's a tip, stop reading creationist websites exclusively for your science information, I can tell you have because this statement could have been copy and pasted from one. The proof for both evolution and the big bang is abundant and true.

I always try to see both sides of an argument in researching and so I visit creationist websites to see what they say on the science part, and I just read crap like "It's just a theory" (these people have no clue theory =/= fact) and "there's NO evidence" (Often when A LOT exists). It seems most spend more time trying to poke holes in the scientific theories that don't conform to their answer than they do offering evidence for themselves. When you have to do that you have to start questioning the answers, I would in that situation.

The difference between atheists and theists is that atheists have no devotion to their answers, all they care about is that the answer is true to what they can best predict from the testing and evidence. If a scientist found conclusive evidence that the earth is not 4.55 billion years old but 10 Billion years old then I as an atheist would agree with the new number. But in the same situation a young earth creationist would start with answer and the evidence proving an older earth would be something they would have to reject.

Your post showed a lot of this I'm afraid.