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BengaBenga said:
Megadude said:
theprof00 said:
sorry benga you are right FE is the best srpg on the wii. It was a great game, especially when it was on GC.

 

 Exactly as a former Gamecube owner excuse me if I don't get hyped over RE4, Radient dawn and Twilight Princess.

Even Brawl and MK Wii are so close to their GC counterparts they are practicly ports.  

 

It's your loss.

I actually feel sorry for people that can't enjoy great games anymore because they don't have the latest graphics.

look I'm not trying to say FE is bad. I completely agree that it is probably the best iteration and perhaps I haven't given it much time. (hard to play an rpg at someone else's house except for late late night)

I'm just saying that with all the really amazing games that are out there, that manage to do things very well (like the nice promotions system), and give beautiful quality at the same time. Which makes it hard for me to justify FERD. Granted the original was flabbergasting, and the gc one had awesome skill features. I just can't agree that this game is great, and I will just say its a very good game and worth every penny for a wii owner no doubt.



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The Fire Emblem stuff in this thread makes me sad.

Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn is, based on gameplay features, the best of all the Fire Emblem games at release (haven't played the latest one yet). It easily has more to offer than any other Fire Emblem save Fire Emblem Sacred Stones' class-branching system and overworld map AFAIK. It also introduces many great features and abilities as well as having the most aesthetically pleasing battles in the entire series to date.

I prefer Blazing Swords because it still has my favorite cast but Radiant Dawn should be high up on any FE fan's list.



You know, I still haven't played any Fire Emblem but FE7, even though I own the Gamecube one.

Should... should I get on that? Keep in mind I like it primarily for the cast and the battle mechanics.

Matthew rules.



Oh God automatic class changes and shopping between chapters okay I'll do it



Megadude said:
Oyvoyvoyv said:
Megadude said:
Oyvoyvoyv said:
Megadude said:
RolStoppable said:
Finally the cat is out of the bag and the thread starter is starting to outright troll. Not that we didn't know that it was always about that in the first place.

Anyway, those ridiculous comments are always good for a laugh.

 

 I'm a troll? Right back at you. Stop trying to derail my thread.

 

Troll stop. Are you able?

Okay. STOP.

What's your argument?

I've read 150 posts (or something), and I still have no clue what you're really trying to say.

 

I'd like to give some constructive feedback, but people will just derail it more if you don't make any rails to start with.

 

 

 You are being reasonable and yes I will give you a reasonable response: I fear that Nintendo has become complacent even arrogant in their success. We have seen what happens when a gaming company gets too complacent. This gen we saw what happened to Sony. Actually we have even seen it happen to Nintendo in the past. I say Nintendo should be aggressively be fighting for quality 3rd party games on Wii instead of taking a "fuck you we are in first place" approach to it's lineup. In the short term it may work well in the long term it will hurt them. As Wii owners and fans we should not buy into BS PR spin talking about Core, casual, and niche. We should be straight up with ourselves and Nintendo that the lineup quality is staggeringly behind the HD twins.

Wait, how can you blame Nintendo for this?

Apparently, they're pleasing the users of this site, which are "core" (I too dislike that word), while they're mainly approaching their mainstream users.

 

Nintendo is releasing more quality games than any other publisher. By a huge amount.

 

So, the real problem is the 3rd parties. Can you blame Nintendo for that? No - you can't blame someone for selling more than their competitors. Now, why are they selling more? Well, probably because they hit their targetted audience. Obviously, this isn't the same audience as the Ps360 (which are very much alike).

 

Thus, Nintendo is left with some choices.

- Let their own games sell like hell

Or

- Somehow make (probably by paying) third parties that make less interesting games (on Wii that's the situation so far) make games for Wii.

 

You cannot blame Nintendo for this! They made the cheapest to develop for console - by far. Shouldn't that be enough?

 

 

 But look at MS moneyhat for DLC and timed exclusives. Look at Sony offer to pay half of development costs for games. That is an example of them aggresively seeking out third party support. If Nintendo was even half as aggresive this conversation would not be warrented. But they don't do that at all because they are selling well which is good for them in the short term. But again what's good for Nintendo is not necessarily good for the consumer. And on a long term scale could very well hurt them.

@ Bod: The very point is that Nintendo winning the sales war has nothing to do with the quility of the Wiis lineup and is in fact hurting it.

 

 Well, I suppose you have a point.

Nintendo are "selfish" because they are economical. Their main focus is their economy, not market share, and definitely not you. I'm not sure So&Mi are like that (as in, they might care a fair bit more about the marketshare).

 

Part of the reason is.

 

Say the average Wii owner (as in, median Wii owner) buys 3 games a year for 3 years (and that's it). Nintendo makes more money off 5 of those being first party, and 4 being 3rd party than 2 being first party and 7 being 3rd party.

Nintendo makes so many games, and they want them all to sell. For Microsoft and Sony.. Well, they release far fewer games, so that isn't the same issue.



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Khuutra said:
You know, I still haven't played any Fire Emblem but FE7, even though I own the Gamecube one.

Should... should I get on that? Keep in mind I like it primarily for the cast and the battle mechanics.

Matthew rules.

Blazing Swords has the best cast IMO but all FE games have great characters.  Blazing Swords is also the most friendly Fire Emblem to start with so if you beat that game, you'll be set for all the others more or less. 

For battle mechanics, things change up with going from Blazing Swords to Sacred Stones because you can choose what to promote units to.  Does your archer become a Ranger (mounted archer) or a Sniper?  You also get an overworld map similar to Super Mario World and the ability to fight random battles.  I don't like that because grinding doesn't feel Fire Emblem-ish to me but you can complete the game without abusing it.  Sacred Stones also gives you a bonus dungeon which is fun.  Ephraim is a neat lord because he uses a spear and Eirika is basically a female Roy with decent stats. Neimi and Colm are neat too.  Colm is > or = to Matthew.

Taking a step back to Sword of Seals from Blazing Swords is rather painful because you lost options and the cast is meh.  Of course, it's a must-play if you want to see Roy in action even if he kind of sucks.  Radiance is good too but it doesn't do as much as Sacred Stones did (BEXP is neat though).

Radiant Dawn does a lot of things right. If you liked the Radiance cast, you'll enjoy seeing them all again.  A lot of Radiance's features are refined and improved in Radiant Dawn (skills and BEXP in particular). It's the most flexible in terms of unit type and skill allocation really allows you to tweak some units that would be meh otherwise.

I recommend Sacred Stones and Radiant Dawn most out of the 4 mentioned above you haven't played.



@Megadude: But your moneyhatting argument makes assumption that it would be the standard thing to do. If you want to think moneyhatting, think about Wii being the cheapest platform to develope for. That's similar financial incentive Nintendo offers.

Moneyhatting is a problem in the sense that once the moneyhatting ends, industry that is used to moneyhatting is ending up in trouble when the outside money goes away. The model that would carry in long term, is the one where budgets base themselves in reality of expected returns.



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