@khuutra Why not that's what I always do: Assert my opinion where it certainly isn't needed. WHat's the problem? I'm pretty sure you do the same thing!

SSBB is why I got a wii, and also why I sold it.
Fire Emblem is not by any means a "great". That was a list of greats. Other fire emblems have been great. Not this one. Don't let it ride the coat tails of history.

PS: @ all the people trying to "demonize" me. I didn't see anyone try to defend RE:UC LMAO. sorry I forgot about MKwii, but I still think the best one is MK:DD. Sorry :P it is a pretty good game, and that's as far as I will concede!!!1

And yes, I haven't played madworld yet, I'm just going by what everyone here has been saying.

^^ ^^

I'll defend RE:UC It's better than HoTD: Overkill. It doesn't need someone to set the world record for swearing in a video game to hold anyone's interest. Also, the framerate is better than Quantum of Solace on the Wii. HoTD: Overkill's framerate is actually worse than QoS.

@BMaker: Noname basically covered everything I would have said (and a fair deal more), so I'll let him handle that line of conversation.

You can feel free to operate on that assumption, but you'd be wrong. All I've said in this topic - and generally all I've said in pretty much any topic - is that different people have different values that appeal to them when looking for their games.

This does not preclude liking any game. It does, however, preclude attempting to correct a person as to their tastes, because doing so is counter-intuitive to the assumption that different people operate on different value metrics. I'm not going to start quoting myself again, but I will say that the different value metrics that other people operate by are varied, and the people who hold different values from you are legion: that's why Wii Sports is going to be the best-remembered game of the generation. It's also why these people will not be wrong in saying that, or saying that it's the best. It simply appeals to their value sets better, whether it appeals to yours or not.

Moving on. Welcome to "Oh No, These Statements Do Not Match My Value Metrics"ville, population: you and a handful of other guys. It's certainly within your right to tell people that their tastes are wrong, but the exercise is infantile, the concept behind it is puerile, and an expectation of results of any kind (barring someone rolling their eyes at you and walking off, I guess) presumes much more about this tactic's effectiveness than anyone has a right.

One last thing: The only thing worse than using your own value metrics to try to disqualify someone else's is using a value metric that isn't even your own. That's not even pushing an opinion on people, that's just being a parrot.

khuutra i think you fail to realize that you are talking to actual people here, not robots.
I'll do what I feel like because I'm just socializing here unlike *in a snooty khuutra voice* the few or so who think this forum is a professional discourse community.

Feel free not to listen to me. At the end of the day I'm the one enjoying myself while you try to teach me some moral value about the internets.

All I can say is that I have different values when living in reality than you do. pyon!

EDIT: sorry if that sounded a little harsh. I'm not here to make enemies, I just don't think you have the right to preclude anything I say either.

There is nothing moralistic about acknowledging that people have different value sets, do not be ridiculous.

But since you actually dropped that line of conversation - am I to assume that you're admitting you were wrong, or that you can't be assed to say any more than you already have concerning the subject?

what would you like to know?

Look khuutra,
You're occasionally interesting to talk to when you're not defending the wii. I've never seen you mention any of this kind of stuff when people do it to other lists, and really your reprimands come off as being defensive rather than informative, because your opinions really only manifests itself when something related to the wii is brought up. Especially when you say things like wii sports is the best and that those other people's opinions are more legitimate than mine.

And I seem to remember you arguing about who the best developer of all time was. But I guess as long as you're in the majority you don't need to defend that opinion with anything more than vagaries. (not that I'm saying he's not)

Finally,
I'm not going to retract my statements because they are mine to make. With the slight concession that I will give to madworld, which I was iffy about in the first place. But I remember his list saying "greats", and madworld has not proved itself in that category just yet. Also, I just think that people give nostalgia points to games like breath of fire, and I think that some people should wake up.

@AMP
is RE:UC really better than HotD? Why have I been hearing that HotD was so good then? I thought RE:UC was a good game, but certainly not a great one. It was worth about 30$ I feel.

Oh boy!

Really now.

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=64986 Here is a topic in which I defend the Playstation 3 and Sony's own decisions to use th Playstation 3 to use Blu-ray, and tear ZenFoldor a new one over trying to turn a technology-based, corporate decision into a moralistic failure.

If you want a more specific post that acts as a jumping-off point, it can be found here: http://vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=1927181

A topic in which I point out the Xbox360's attach rate is not reflected in cherry-picked multiplat games: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=67024&page=1

A topic in which I debate that there is no objective standard of quality in art (specifically videogames) to defend the point that people can like the Wii's library all they like http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=61854 with a specific "real" post string beginning here: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=1827369

You will take note, in the last one, that I am saying that people can hold whatever opinions they want concerning artistic merit. The only thing they cannot do is invalidate the opinions of others, because this subscribes to a methodology by which an opinion can be qualitatively measured, which is preposterous.

You may also wish to look at the article by Popzara on the front page, in which John Lucas claims the PS3 will die this year and I react negatively to that. Thereafter I attack his knowledge of the Blue Ocean strategy.

No, by no means am I limited to "defending" the Wii. I don't defend the Wii at all. It is what it is - and people have different value sets that they use to judge these systems. That's all.

And nobody else in this topic has come in to try to "correct" anyone else's list of great games, you will notice. Yeah? I trust you noticed.

Moving on. http://vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=1937478 Does this post not count as qualification of that opinion? Or the rest of my posts in that topic? I'm not defending, I am qualifying, there's a different, but I most certainly do give reasons for saying what I do.

Hell, I wasn't even calling Miyamoto the greatest developer of all time, there, I was refuting the statement that he hadn't done anything "truly great" since the eighties. You are free to hold your own opinions about games, but trying to correct someone else on this front is preposterous.

ok I'm sorry I said you were biased :P I guess I've just never seen you say things like those.

But hey, he was trying to correct someone else in the first place right? Am I not allowed to qualify my ideas that those games are bad?

You have a point, concerning him correcting someone else: the only way in which his own statement wouldn't be objectionable is if he was presenting it as a list which matched his values, and that absolute statements concerning value can't be made.

Hrm.