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mrstickball on 05 April 2009

You said 99 churches, or denominations. I listed 14 denominations that reject homosexuality. If you want to expand it to more than just Christian denominations, than I guess we can do that.

If pastors are getting into hot water for mere homosexuality, what will happen to their rights of free speech if/when marriage is legalized? In both the Swedish and Canadian examples, both allow gay marriage, and both have attacked pastors for 'hate speech'.



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Kasz216 on 05 April 2009
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:


I... don't quite understand what your talking about.

The morality of homosexuality is really of no concern to me as I am not a homosexual.  Whether it's moral or not.  I don't know... and I don't really care.  You may as well ask me if it's moral to be on the moon.  I ain't ever going there so i don't care.

I beleive gay marriage should be legal simply because gay marriage doesn't hurt anybody.

All of the "harmless" sins are legal...

and in a truley christian society in fact there would be no laws.

People would simply forgive others for their transgressions leaving it all up to god.

 

history would beg to differ, did you not learn about the middle ages at school?

You consider the middle ages a truley christian society?

I guess that's believable if you go with the text book skimmed version.

This wasn't the case however.

Middle Age warfare was ALWAYS harmful to the country invaded because defensive warfare even when successful caused massive famine since the troops need to do a good amount of "foraging".  This wasn't fixed until the Potato came over from the "New World."

The Catholic Church... being an independent entity and weak enough to where if it was unfair could be sacked was made the great mediator.

Not because of any greater religious goal.

 

what do you consider a christian society?

I already stated... A society founded under the greater tenants of Christianity.  In otherwords non judgement, turning the other cheek and striving to be the best person you could.

Such a society would obviously taken advantage of... and people are far from perfect anwyay... so such a soceity is impossible anyway.



TheRealMafoo on 05 April 2009
The Ghost of RubangB said:
When a religion hates a certain ethnicity or gender, doesn't everybody else get really pissed off and call it hate speech? Why should we allow religions to hate homosexuals? There's always been a huge controversy about what Mormons believe about blacks.

If we're going to disallow hate speech against religious groups, we need to disallow hate speech FROM religious groups.

Define hate speech. If a church say's they think homosexuality is wrong, and if you are gay you are going to hell, is not hate speech.

if they say go out and beat the hell out of the next one you see, then that's hate speech.

I think is a religious leader said that in the US, they would get charged with a hate crime. Just saying they are against it though is not hate speech.

 



Final-Fan on 05 April 2009
mrstickball said:
You said 99 churches, or denominations. I listed 14 denominations that reject homosexuality. If you want to expand it to more than just Christian denominations, than I guess we can do that.

If pastors are getting into hot water for mere homosexuality, what will happen to their rights of free speech if/when marriage is legalized? In both the Swedish and Canadian examples, both allow gay marriage, and both have attacked pastors for 'hate speech'.

Look at it like this:  Let's say you're complaining about people getting jumped on for being against Final Fantasy VII.  And as evidence you show that some guy got banned for trolling against the whole Final Fantasy series.  Have you shown evidence for your claim?  I say you have not.



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FaRmLaNd on 05 April 2009

Last time I checked most western countries are not theocracies and thus not explicably bound by the tenants of any one religion. I have no issue with a church not allowing gay marriage if thats there choice, but that shouldn't mean that gay marriage itself should be illegal.

I hope someone creates a gay religion, then it'd be alright because it'd be a truly "religious" ceremony. No heterosexual couples allowed.



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SciFiBoy on 06 April 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
When a religion hates a certain ethnicity or gender, doesn't everybody else get really pissed off and call it hate speech? Why should we allow religions to hate homosexuals? There's always been a huge controversy about what Mormons believe about blacks.

If we're going to disallow hate speech against religious groups, we need to disallow hate speech FROM religious groups.

Define hate speech. If a church say's they think being black is wrong, and if you are black you are going to hell, is not hate speech.

if they say go out and beat the hell out of the next one you see, then that's hate speech.

I think is a religious leader said that in the US, they would get charged with a hate crime. Just saying they are against it though is not hate speech.

 

 

you see what i did there...

would you be OK with that being legal?



TheRealMafoo on 07 April 2009
SciFiBoy said:
TheRealMafoo said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
When a religion hates a certain ethnicity or gender, doesn't everybody else get really pissed off and call it hate speech? Why should we allow religions to hate homosexuals? There's always been a huge controversy about what Mormons believe about blacks.

If we're going to disallow hate speech against religious groups, we need to disallow hate speech FROM religious groups.

Define hate speech. If a church say's they think being black is wrong, and if you are black you are going to hell, is not hate speech.

if they say go out and beat the hell out of the next one you see, then that's hate speech.

I think is a religious leader said that in the US, they would get charged with a hate crime. Just saying they are against it though is not hate speech.

 

 

you see what i did there...

would you be OK with that being legal?

 

Yes. And it is legal.



TheRealMafoo on 07 April 2009

To expand on my last post, what if the man saying it is Black, and he just interpreted the bible to say none of his family is going to heaven, and he says it out of deep concern and regret to his loved ones.

That still hate speech to you?

The line you modified is someone explaining what they think the bible says, not how they feel about it.

it's not hate speech.