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Kasz216 on 04 April 2009
IxisNaugus said:

I'm sorry, why is it when a game has a few RPG elements some people go off and place it in the genre? The Legend of Zelda is not an RPG series, it is an action/adventure series. MGB, please remove it from whatever RPG compilation you decide to make. I don't know how anyone could even assume the Legend of Zelda series is of the RPG genre.

And Torillian, your method of defining an RPG is flawed. By your logic, as Khuutra stated, the DS Castlevania's are all RPG's, which they are not, they are Action-adventure games, with some RPG elements.

All that said and done though, i'm probably inclined to agree with the OP. And while i'm not like most people and play nothing but RPG's, thinking the genre is some sort of god among genre's, i find most RPG's i play rather fun, with the exception of some, like the numbered FF titles. I look forward to most of the upcoming Wii RPG's actually, especially Muramasa, Tales of Graces and Monster Hunter 3.

Because Nintendo says so?

Genres are largely chosen by the developer if you ask me.

I mean hell a game like MLB Power Pros meats every definition of an RPG game but it's labeled a sports game.



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Khuutra on 04 April 2009
blaydcor said:
Khuutra said:
Torillian said:
health and damage are not "stats" as I am defining them. They are usually affected by them.

Every game I easily define as an RPG has a page for your characteristics in which you can look at stats such as strength, speed, luck, etc.

The only genre I can think of that might cross paths in this regard would be RTS's, but it seems that we should be able to keep those apart through other criteria.

So Odin Sphere isn't an RPG, but every single DS Castlevania is?

Yeah, there are anamolies.

Though yeah, I'd consider Castlevania games Action RPG's, or at least action games with RPG elements.

I think, when in doubt, I prefer to say a game isn't an RPG. So when it's a tie, the winner is the other genre - I'd call Fire Emblem turn-based strategy, and Odin Sphere a sidescrolling action brawler.

Problematic in that my personal ideas about the genre don't fit the general discourse, which kind of renders it moot, but eh!



IxisNaugus on 04 April 2009
Kasz216 said:
IxisNaugus said:

I'm sorry, why is it when a game has a few RPG elements some people go off and place it in the genre? The Legend of Zelda is not an RPG series, it is an action/adventure series. MGB, please remove it from whatever RPG compilation you decide to make. I don't know how anyone could even assume the Legend of Zelda series is of the RPG genre.

And Torillian, your method of defining an RPG is flawed. By your logic, as Khuutra stated, the DS Castlevania's are all RPG's, which they are not, they are Action-adventure games, with some RPG elements.

All that said and done though, i'm probably inclined to agree with the OP. And while i'm not like most people and play nothing but RPG's, thinking the genre is some sort of god among genre's, i find most RPG's i play rather fun, with the exception of some, like the numbered FF titles. I look forward to most of the upcoming Wii RPG's actually, especially Muramasa, Tales of Graces and Monster Hunter 3.

Because Nintendo says so?

Genres are largely chosen by the developer if you ask me.

I mean hell a game like MLB Power Pros meats every definition of an RPG game but it's labeled a sports game.

Really? Where was this said.

Even if Nintendo said it is, a games genre is decided entirely by its gameplay style, regardless of what genre the developer claims it is. To say otherwise is to contradict the whole definition of the word 'Genre'.

 



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Kenology on 04 April 2009
RPG said:
blaydcor said:
RPG said:
blaydcor said:
RPG said:
It's all a load of bullshit, Wii gets one big one which is DQ X and even that one will not release for a LONG time. The HD twins get 1 big game with the PS3 getting another big game and that is it.

DQ IX on DS and flagship games on handhelds is the future, flagship JRPG will release on handhelds. The real kick in the teeth for SE will be when (not if when) Agito outsells FFXIII and Versus, that alone should secure flagship games on handhelds. The popularity of handhelds continue to increase so the next gen of handhelds will get the flagship games. Minimal effort for maximum return.

Rant almost fini, niche and flagship games on handhelds the future and in ways the present as well.

I fail to see how's that's relevant, or likely, or why it would be a kick in the teeth for SE. Hmmm, their own game outsold their own game; big loss there.

You're using handheld here too interchangeably with DS. A PSP only sidegame is not going to outsell a PS3 AND 360 main series Final Fantasy.

I'm a big handheld gamer, play them as much if not more than consoles, and RPG's are by far my favorite games, but I don't see this trend of main series games manifesting on handhelds becoming too widespread.

Back to the article: Hooray, more Wii RPGs! I already have too many DS RPGs alone to possibly attempt to play!

 

Hmmm sit down, make yourself a nice cuppa and put your thinking cap on. A PSP game outselling 2 HD console games with each costing at least 10x what the PSP version cost to make, you don't think SE would have a problem with that? I guess great thinking like that is what has kept SE in such a fantastic financial position!

Soriku a new Tales of game seems to be announced every week so that is hardly big, With Graces came a port and a PSP game, FFCC should sell very nicely but again no where near a big game.

Not by definition, no. What if XIII and Vs. each sold 10 million, and Agito sold 10.1 million? Would this be a kick in the teeth for SE? No. If Vs and XIII sold very poorly and Agito sold very well, the poor sales of Vs and XIII would be a kick in the teeth. Agito selling well would silverline the cloud, not accentuate the severity of the financial teeth kicking.

It's irrelevant as it has no chance of happening.

And @Okey, Dragon Quest is pretty awesome, especially 3, 5, 8, and the first two Monsters spin offs.

 

Oh shit I think he's serious O_O

Tales of Graces might indeed be the only flagship TO game for the fiscal year, when the PSP TO game outsells Graces it will be funny times!

 

Why would that even be a big deal?  Given that handhelds are more popular than consoles and the PSP having a bigger installed base, why would that really be a big deal?

 



Kenology on 04 April 2009
Kasz216 said:
GamingChartzFTW said:
MGB said:
uhhmm

The Legend of Zelda Twilight princess? Not really an RPG, now is it?
The Legend of Zelda (new title)?  See above.
Super Paper Mario
Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn
Tales of Symphonia DotNW
Tales of Graces
Muramasa the demon blade
Arc Rise Fantasia
Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga
FRAGILE
Ougon no Kizuna
Rune Factory Frontier
Little King Story
Dragon Quest Sword?
Dragon Quest X
Final Fantasy Fables Chocobos Dungeon
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles my life as King
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles my life as darklord
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles echoes of time
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles the crystal bearers
Final Fantasy IV The after years
Shiren The Wanderer 3
Phantom Brave: We Meet Again

 

Believe it or not Nintendo classfies Zelda games as RPGs.

They're as much Action RPGs as anything else really.

 

Yeah, I've always considered Zelda an ARPG. Some people don't, but I don't see how games like Kingdom Hearts, Alundra, Dark Cloud, or Fable wouldn't be placed in the same genre as Zelda - especially considering all those games use Zelda as a template.

Nintendo seems to fluctuate between "Action Adventure" and "Action RPG" when classifying Zelda.

 



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Kasz216 on 04 April 2009
IxisNaugus said:
Kasz216 said:
IxisNaugus said:

I'm sorry, why is it when a game has a few RPG elements some people go off and place it in the genre? The Legend of Zelda is not an RPG series, it is an action/adventure series. MGB, please remove it from whatever RPG compilation you decide to make. I don't know how anyone could even assume the Legend of Zelda series is of the RPG genre.

And Torillian, your method of defining an RPG is flawed. By your logic, as Khuutra stated, the DS Castlevania's are all RPG's, which they are not, they are Action-adventure games, with some RPG elements.

All that said and done though, i'm probably inclined to agree with the OP. And while i'm not like most people and play nothing but RPG's, thinking the genre is some sort of god among genre's, i find most RPG's i play rather fun, with the exception of some, like the numbered FF titles. I look forward to most of the upcoming Wii RPG's actually, especially Muramasa, Tales of Graces and Monster Hunter 3.

Because Nintendo says so?

Genres are largely chosen by the developer if you ask me.

I mean hell a game like MLB Power Pros meats every definition of an RPG game but it's labeled a sports game.

Really? Where was this said.

Even if Nintendo said it is, a games genre is decided entirely by its gameplay style, regardless of what genre the developer claims it is. To say otherwise is to contradict the whole definition of the word 'Genre'.

 

Gameplay style.  Action RPGs play exactly like Action Adventure games.  So no.  Plenty of "Rpgs" play just like Zelda.

So it REALLY doesn't.

The term RPG no longer exists.  It's been a pointless nebulus non existant thing ever since it moved past the definition of being turnbased only.

 



SnowFlow on 04 April 2009

I'm stoked for Monster Hunter 3 and Final Fantasy Chrystal Chronicles: Chrystal Bearers. Never really been a Dragon Quest fan, but I'll See how 10 on Wii turns out.



rudyrsr8 on 04 April 2009

Im just really excited about MH3.



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Kenology on 04 April 2009
IxisNaugus said:
Kasz216 said:
IxisNaugus said:

I'm sorry, why is it when a game has a few RPG elements some people go off and place it in the genre? The Legend of Zelda is not an RPG series, it is an action/adventure series. MGB, please remove it from whatever RPG compilation you decide to make. I don't know how anyone could even assume the Legend of Zelda series is of the RPG genre.

And Torillian, your method of defining an RPG is flawed. By your logic, as Khuutra stated, the DS Castlevania's are all RPG's, which they are not, they are Action-adventure games, with some RPG elements.

All that said and done though, i'm probably inclined to agree with the OP. And while i'm not like most people and play nothing but RPG's, thinking the genre is some sort of god among genre's, i find most RPG's i play rather fun, with the exception of some, like the numbered FF titles. I look forward to most of the upcoming Wii RPG's actually, especially Muramasa, Tales of Graces and Monster Hunter 3.

Because Nintendo says so?

Genres are largely chosen by the developer if you ask me.

I mean hell a game like MLB Power Pros meats every definition of an RPG game but it's labeled a sports game.

Really? Where was this said.

Even if Nintendo said it is, a games genre is decided entirely by its gameplay style, regardless of what genre the developer claims it is. To say otherwise is to contradict the whole definition of the word 'Genre'.

 

The Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask Japanese boxart:

In the bottom right-hand corner it reads: "1 player 3D ActionRPG"

Same description on the Japanese Majora's Mask boxart too.  On the other hand, I think Super Famicom's Triforce of the Gods (A Link to the Past) had "Action Adventure" on the box, but not listed under a genre.


Also, in the Hyrule Symphony liner notes, Miyamoto himself defines the game as an Action RPG.  I'd scan it for you if I wasn't so lazy.



IxisNaugus on 04 April 2009
Kasz216 said:
IxisNaugus said:
Kasz216 said:
IxisNaugus said:

I'm sorry, why is it when a game has a few RPG elements some people go off and place it in the genre? The Legend of Zelda is not an RPG series, it is an action/adventure series. MGB, please remove it from whatever RPG compilation you decide to make. I don't know how anyone could even assume the Legend of Zelda series is of the RPG genre.

And Torillian, your method of defining an RPG is flawed. By your logic, as Khuutra stated, the DS Castlevania's are all RPG's, which they are not, they are Action-adventure games, with some RPG elements.

All that said and done though, i'm probably inclined to agree with the OP. And while i'm not like most people and play nothing but RPG's, thinking the genre is some sort of god among genre's, i find most RPG's i play rather fun, with the exception of some, like the numbered FF titles. I look forward to most of the upcoming Wii RPG's actually, especially Muramasa, Tales of Graces and Monster Hunter 3.

Because Nintendo says so?

Genres are largely chosen by the developer if you ask me.

I mean hell a game like MLB Power Pros meats every definition of an RPG game but it's labeled a sports game.

Really? Where was this said.

Even if Nintendo said it is, a games genre is decided entirely by its gameplay style, regardless of what genre the developer claims it is. To say otherwise is to contradict the whole definition of the word 'Genre'.

 

Gameplay style.  Action RPGs play exactly like Action Adventure games.  So no.  Plenty of "Rpgs" play just like Zelda.

So it REALLY doesn't.

The term RPG no longer exists.  It's been a pointless nebulus non existant thing ever since it moved past the definition of being turnbased only.

 

What are you talking about? Action RPG's do not play exactly like Action-adventure games. Plenty of RPG's play exactly like Zelda? In what way? A massive overworld? Dungeons? Because the gameplay style is vastly different.

I was lead to believe that experience points were a dominant feature within mainstream RPG's, why does Zelda not have this, or many other RPG elements if it is of said genre. In fact, Zelda has very little RPG elements.

@ Kenology. The boxart is clearly lying.



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