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Throw $40 million dollars and 4 years at a X360 game, and I'm sure it'd look that good.



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SpartanFX said:
papflesje said:
So Squillie has become a PC-advocate now? :)

You should stick with a persona longer than this, squillie, it's getting old :p

 

he is just looking for ways to dodge the fact that PS3 exclusive games are generally better looking than X360. :p

it's always :uncharted,MGS4,KZ2,Heavenly Sword,GT5:P,wipeout HD,...Vs Gears (as it is one of  the few games on 360 that really is competing)

Cmon are you serious? Mass Effect looks brilliant so does Fable 2 in fact Fable 2 got my vote for best graphics last year. Just because Fable 2 didnt aim for photorealism doesnt mean it cant impress me the most. Bioshock when it was released was one of the best graphics and even Banjo Kazooie is the best looking platformer currently out.

And Alan Wake, Mass Effect 2, Forza 3, Risen are all games which I believe will be above KZ2 graphics. Alan Wake and Mass Effect 2 for SURE.

 



Why is this thread even continuuing? What makes anyone think that some guy, who even said that he know NOTHING about PS3 development, knows that KZ2 can be done on the 360? The KZ2 engine was built from the ground up on the PS3's infrastructure. Parallel processing, streamlining data from the disc, all the lighting effects, etc. were built specifically for the PS3.







Unless by "It can be done on the 360", he means *technically* it could be done on the 360, it would just be a different game, like Media Molecule said about LBP being on the 360



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I love ppl who think they know what they are talking about when they really dont...... Lets see most ppl on wall street. AIG... Ok I will stop with the politics but honestly this guy has no clue. I could say that Alan Wake, Crysis, Heavey Rain will all be on one disk and can be played on a nintendo wii with 1080P resolution with out a single problem at this rate.....

 

This guy just gave me the poops...



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SpartanFX said:
NNN2004 said:
Staude said:
selnor said:
^ The thing that springs to mind is that the 360 hasnt got any games from good developers that have gone for realistic graphics.

Big games like Halo 3, Gears 2, Mass Effect all went for art direction. KZ2 currently wins at the moment, but I bet my bottom dollar the 360 will have a couple of games that beat it's graphics this year. Mainly Alan Wake and Forza 3. Also I believe Risen will to.

Personally KZ2 is the ONLY game on PS3 that is better than 360 games. Gears 2 for me was and still has the best wow moment ever for graphics.

Mass Effect 2 will undoubtly look astonishing also. CRYEngine 3 games for 360 will also beat KZ2. But then PS3 will continue to improve as well. By the end of the gen both consoles will not outshine the other.

Like i said before. Cryengine has some good things and some bad things about it. Particular particle effects and Lightning. I don't believe what they've shown us so far outranks killzone 2.

 

Models and textures beat the hell out of it though..

 

Personally i've had the most wow moments in Uncharted and Metal Gear Solid 4. I'm not saying that as a "sony fan" response but that's how it is for me. For instance, there is no game with such an advanced animation system as uncharted.. and it has these beautiful visuals throughout with No loads in the game at all! Some of the best games ever have been released this gen and it only looks like it's getting better.

The thing the unreal engine excels at is mapping. The models aren't very advanced but because of bumps, specular, normals etc.. they manage to make some pretty impressive stuff..

Personally I'm not all for unreal engine games because they tend to have a look that crosses over. I don't mind them, but they don't really give me as much satisfaction visually as some propriatory engines. That's just me though. I can see how other people would think differently.

 

But really where the difference lies in the ps3 and the 360, is a place where you'll only minimally be able to tell visually. I do find it impressive that sony has managed to overtake the 360 visually even though it was launched much later, but if you look at the specs, the differences in games will be things such as physics, lightning,  AI.. stuff like that. Mostly things that the processor does.

 

 

killzone 2 have a good effects but dont forget that its have a low textures also.

 

 

lol,,,no it doesn't

 

lol, KILLZOWNED!!!

I still don't get why so many 360 fans are still in such denial. The systems are different, very different in architecture. They are not nearly as similar as people keep trying to say they are. THe PS3 has the biggest edge over the 360 due to the cell's versatile power. Most things the PS3 lacks that the 360 has can be made up with The Cell's abilities.

PS2 was inferior to XBOX in many ways, allowing XBOX games to look better and have more things going on.

Now the tables have turned...

PS3 is the vastly superior system, that even after Killzone 2, has barely even been tapped into. Why the hell do you think their prices are so different?



      

      

      

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selnor said:
SpartanFX said:
papflesje said:
So Squillie has become a PC-advocate now? :)

You should stick with a persona longer than this, squillie, it's getting old :p

 

he is just looking for ways to dodge the fact that PS3 exclusive games are generally better looking than X360. :p

it's always :uncharted,MGS4,KZ2,Heavenly Sword,GT5:P,wipeout HD,...Vs Gears (as it is one of  the few games on 360 that really is competing)

Cmon are you serious? Mass Effect looks brilliant so does Fable 2 in fact Fable 2 got my vote for best graphics last year. Just because Fable 2 didnt aim for photorealism doesnt mean it cant impress me the most. Bioshock when it was released was one of the best graphics and even Banjo Kazooie is the best looking platformer currently out.

And Alan Wake, Mass Effect 2, Forza 3, Risen are all games which I believe will be above KZ2 graphics. Alan Wake and Mass Effect 2 for SURE.

 

And that is where your own bias sets in. What you like is always subjective and as such we can never agree.

 

But mass effect wasn't very good looking on the xbox.. fable 2 isn't exacly a crown jewel of gaming and banjo doesn't look as good as rachet or uncharted.. or heavenly sword... or assassins creed... .. or prince of persia.. it has artstyle but that doesn't mean it looks better.

 

You haven't seen alan wake on the xbox yet, and even on the pc it's not exacly a highly action packed game with plenty of things going on. Mass effect 2.. well i won't comment on that, forza 3 ... did you just compare a racing game with a first person shooter ? even so, gt5 (if ever released) will likely look better, comparing forza2 to prologue.. and i dunno what risen is unless you mean the old fps from the 90s .. which i doubt :P

 

I'm not going to say they won't beat killzone 2.. but thers more than 1 thing that makes killzone 2 look so appealing.



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Staude said:
selnor said:
SpartanFX said:
papflesje said:
So Squillie has become a PC-advocate now? :)

You should stick with a persona longer than this, squillie, it's getting old :p

 

he is just looking for ways to dodge the fact that PS3 exclusive games are generally better looking than X360. :p

it's always :uncharted,MGS4,KZ2,Heavenly Sword,GT5:P,wipeout HD,...Vs Gears (as it is one of  the few games on 360 that really is competing)

Cmon are you serious? Mass Effect looks brilliant so does Fable 2 in fact Fable 2 got my vote for best graphics last year. Just because Fable 2 didnt aim for photorealism doesnt mean it cant impress me the most. Bioshock when it was released was one of the best graphics and even Banjo Kazooie is the best looking platformer currently out.

And Alan Wake, Mass Effect 2, Forza 3, Risen are all games which I believe will be above KZ2 graphics. Alan Wake and Mass Effect 2 for SURE.

 

And that is where your own bias sets in. What you like is always subjective and as such we can never agree.

 

But mass effect wasn't very good looking on the xbox.. fable 2 isn't exacly a crown jewel of gaming and banjo doesn't look as good as rachet or uncharted.. or heavenly sword... or assassins creed... .. or prince of persia.. it has artstyle but that doesn't mean it looks better.

 

You haven't seen alan wake on the xbox yet, and even on the pc it's not exacly a highly action packed game with plenty of things going on. Mass effect 2.. well i won't comment on that, forza 3 ... did you just compare a racing game with a first person shooter ? even so, gt5 (if ever released) will likely look better, comparing forza2 to prologue.. and i dunno what risen is unless you mean the old fps from the 90s .. which i doubt :P

 

I'm not going to say they won't beat killzone 2.. but thers more than 1 thing that makes killzone 2 look so appealing.

Theres no bias. I dont have Heavy Rain in my sig for no reason. Heavy Rain already is by far the most impressive graphics Ive seen from the PS3.

Mass Effect looked damn fine on my 360 at 720p, it had issues with load times and 3 secs to load textures but once it was loaded in provides some of the best character models Ive ever seen. The environments were no slouch either. Fable 2 also had incredible lighting and an art style to die for.

With Banjo I refer to platformers in the cutesy department. Ratchet, Banjo, Galaxy.And yes I think it's better than Ratchet. But POP, Assasins Creed etc are more than just platformers.

KZ2 is beautiful, but to say that the 360 cant do graphics equal or better is laughable. By the gens end there will be 10+ games better looking on the 360 alone than KZ2. Their is plenty of room for code optimization on both consoles. And Risen is this.

 



Kzoellner said:

I love ppl who think they know what they are talking about when they really dont...... Lets see most ppl on wall street. AIG... Ok I will stop with the politics but honestly this guy has no clue. I could say that Alan Wake, Crysis, Heavey Rain will all be on one disk and can be played on a nintendo wii with 1080P resolution with out a single problem at this rate.....

 

This guy just gave me the poops...

You just owned yourself. The developer your putting down, is very widely thought of at GDC. In other words he knows his stuff. :)