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Slimebeast said:
I hate communism. And dislike most socialist ideas.

Anyway, I agree that the Jews killed Jesus. U can't blame that on the Romans.

"the Jews killed Jesus"?

1) What in the world does it matter who killed Jesus?

2) If it were true that some Jews were responsible for killing Jesus, that wouldn't make every Jew responsible--not the ones living at the time, let alone any that came afterwards.  For instance, it wouldn't make responsible Jesus' mother Mary, who was Jewish, or St. Peter, who was Jewish, or Jesus Christ, who was Jewish.

3) Who was responsible for Jesus' death?  Well, the Jewish leaders turned Christ over to Pilate, true.  But Pilate, a Roman official, didn't have to have Christ executed.  He made the decision he made.  That doesn't mean that "the Romans killed Christ"; it means that a Roman made that decision.  Individuals are the ones who do things, not whole ethnic or national groups.

Besides, if you're (most types of) Christian, then you believe that Christ's death was ordained by God, and necessary to forgive the sins of the world, prophecied in the Old Testament, etc.  You call the day upon which it happened "Good Friday," and believe that Christ himself knew it was coming in Gethsemane and chose to take it.

Seems pretty silly to "blame" this "miraculous event" on anyone, really, since Christians are all so thankful that it happened.  (Without it, everyone to Hell, right?)



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donathos said:
Slimebeast said:
I hate communism. And dislike most socialist ideas.

Anyway, I agree that the Jews killed Jesus. U can't blame that on the Romans.

"the Jews killed Jesus"?

1) What in the world does it matter who killed Jesus?

2) If it were true that some Jews were responsible for killing Jesus, that wouldn't make every Jew responsible--not the ones living at the time, let alone any that came afterwards.  For instance, it wouldn't make responsible Jesus' mother Mary, who was Jewish, or St. Peter, who was Jewish, or Jesus Christ, who was Jewish.

3) Who was responsible for Jesus' death?  Well, the Jewish leaders turned Christ over to Pilate, true.  But Pilate, a Roman official, didn't have to have Christ executed.  He made the decision he made.  That doesn't mean that "the Romans killed Christ"; it means that a Roman made that decision.  Individuals are the ones who do things, not whole ethnic or national groups.

Besides, if you're (most types of) Christian, then you believe that Christ's death was ordained by God, and necessary to forgive the sins of the world, prophecied in the Old Testament, etc.  You call the day upon which it happened "Good Friday," and believe that Christ himself knew it was coming in Gethsemane and chose to take it.

Seems pretty silly to "blame" this "miraculous event" on anyone, really, since Christians are all so thankful that it happened.  (Without it, everyone to Hell, right?)

Depends on which sect of christianity you believe.

 



Out of those two, Hitler no doubt but Stalin was one hell of a brutal man



donathos said:
Slimebeast said:
I hate communism. And dislike most socialist ideas.

Anyway, I agree that the Jews killed Jesus. U can't blame that on the Romans.

"the Jews killed Jesus"?

1) What in the world does it matter who killed Jesus?

2) If it were true that some Jews were responsible for killing Jesus, that wouldn't make every Jew responsible--not the ones living at the time, let alone any that came afterwards.  For instance, it wouldn't make responsible Jesus' mother Mary, who was Jewish, or St. Peter, who was Jewish, or Jesus Christ, who was Jewish.

3) Who was responsible for Jesus' death?  Well, the Jewish leaders turned Christ over to Pilate, true.  But Pilate, a Roman official, didn't have to have Christ executed.  He made the decision he made.  That doesn't mean that "the Romans killed Christ"; it means that a Roman made that decision.  Individuals are the ones who do things, not whole ethnic or national groups.

Besides, if you're (most types of) Christian, then you believe that Christ's death was ordained by God, and necessary to forgive the sins of the world, prophecied in the Old Testament, etc.  You call the day upon which it happened "Good Friday," and believe that Christ himself knew it was coming in Gethsemane and chose to take it.

Seems pretty silly to "blame" this "miraculous event" on anyone, really, since Christians are all so thankful that it happened.  (Without it, everyone to Hell, right?)

U raise a few good points, and I didnt intend to get deeper into the subject. I just wanted to comment on "who is responsible" because it is still a big thing in christian theology, and historically of course with Hitler, the Catholic Church and all.

IMO groups can be responsible for actions though, it's not always just individuals. If a "Jewish court" at that time came to the decision, and Jews up to this time say it was a right decision to execute Jesus, then u could argue it was a group action. I'm not saying it's a legitimate reason to hate Jews or anything though, I condemn the Catholic Church' historical stand against the Jews and Israel for example.

 



If we're gonna paint evil as black on white, then definitely Hitler. Didn't see Osama putting any concentration camps up.



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SubiyaCryolite said:
Imperialists who colonized Africa, every bastard who took part in the slave trade and The Israeli politicians butchering Palestinians and stealing their land. I was gonna say the people who butchered Pocahantus and her people but that'ld offend most of you.

 

Here's an idea: before you lash out at an entire race of people, try to get your damn facts right.  Yes the Europeans killed tons of native Americans and it was a huge attrocity, and being part cherokee myself, I hate the disrespect that native americans get to this day, but since when did Pocahontas get slaughtered?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocahontas

 

unless you are ranting about tuberculosis that she died from.....



^^I was trying to add some humour into it dammit! I know Poky aint real, but I used her because she is one of the most known Natives out there, despite being fictional (care to name others?). As for evil, it depends which part of the world you come from. Americans and Europeans hate Hitler but Arabs, Asians, Africans and Latinos dont give a fuck and hate someone else more. Americans hate Mao, Castro and communists despite the fact that the majority of their people support them (if Mao didnt instill pride and self reliance into Chinese citizens China wouldnt be the worlds fastest growing economy [soon to be super power]). It depends where you come from really. Latinos dont give a damn about the Rwanda Genocide and Asians dont give a f@#k about the holocaust. So there, only God can say "this is the badest bastard to ever step foot on the Earth". Afterall one mans "terrorist" is another mans "freedom fighter", it depends which side of the fence you're on.



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Hitler and Germany were (are) nationalistic, to many that mattered he was (is) correct. His case historically was just the ends not justifying the means.

Human beings can be the worst because logic can be so easily corrupted with tradition while wielding loyalty and passion as tools.



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Joseph Stalin was worse than Hitler. Hitler was worse than Bin Laden.



Barozi said:
You wanna see my Top 3 ?
1. Stalin - by far
2. Mao - close 2nd
3. Hitler - with a big distance

Osama.... Oh c'mon there are hundreds probably thousands of people who are more evil than him

This but with Hitler a closer 3rd.

And as for who killed Jesus, we all did, he died to pay for all of our sins and as such every man and woman who has ever sinned is just as responsible. Placing blame is just a childish way that those people who hold hate justify it.



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