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Forums - Gaming - Metal Gear Solid 4 vs Super Mario Galaxy. Which is the Greatest??

Dazkarieh on 31 March 2009

Galaxy by far!



     

 

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perpride on 31 March 2009

MGS4 is the best game I've ever played.

runs.



Khuutra on 31 March 2009
el_rika said:

My favourite out of the two ? MGS4 no doubt.

For those that actually "got" what the game is saying and at least partially understood the mind bending ideological depth of the story, the game is not only the best and most relevant in the series but for those like me that care about this stuff, the best game ever made.

On the other hand, as a pure "gaming" experience, MGS4 may fall short compared to non story driven games like Mario or whatever other strictly gameplay VG.

As an experience though, MGS4 > SMG by miles.

Would you mind explaining this? I wasn't aware that there was any particularly deep theme running through MGS4 - I thought it was all kind of right there on the surface, but I would be gladly corrected.



el_rika on 31 March 2009
Khuutra said:
el_rika said:

My favourite out of the two ? MGS4 no doubt.

For those that actually "got" what the game is saying and at least partially understood the mind bending ideological depth of the story, the game is not only the best and most relevant in the series but for those like me that care about this stuff, the best game ever made.

On the other hand, as a pure "gaming" experience, MGS4 may fall short compared to non story driven games like Mario or whatever other strictly gameplay VG.

As an experience though, MGS4 > SMG by miles.

Would you mind explaining this? I wasn't aware that there was any particularly deep theme running through MGS4 - I thought it was all kind of right there on the surface, but I would be gladly corrected.

I wouldn't know where to begin really. It is just too much to write on this subject. I can however recommend you a good read which, while only scratching the surface, it is fairly well written and presented.

So try the MGS4 Complete Official Guide. It is a good start, as it has a general analysis of MGS4's story and overall MG universe in the light of MGS4's revelations, but i should recommend using the book only as a matter of confronting it with one's own conclusions and not as a means to quickly learn the intended meaning.

 



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Khuutra on 31 March 2009

Wait, why would I need to read that? I know the story of it, I'm just asking what philosophical depth there is.



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vlad321 on 31 March 2009
el_rika said:

My favourite out of the two ? MGS4 no doubt.

For those that actually "got" what the game is saying and at least partially understood the mind bending ideological depth of the story, the game is not only the best and most relevant in the series but for those like me that care about this stuff, the best game ever made.

On the other hand, as a pure "gaming" experience, MGS4 may fall short compared to non story driven games like Mario or whatever other strictly gameplay VG.

As an experience though, MGS4 > SMG by miles.

 

Oh I got it, I got just how bad it is. As I said, there were (suposedly 10 hours, I didn't ad them myself), and I read Watchmen in 8 hours. Respectively MGS4 wasted 8 more hours of my life than it should have. Hence the story is quite a minus.

 

This post reminds me of that thread that the gy made about how The Dark Knight was ripping off MGS4. He was quite serious too.



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

numonex on 31 March 2009

3D Mario game. Super Mario 64 was more fun and IMO better than Super Mario Galaxy. The Wii motion control kills the game for me. 2D Mario is way better than 3D Mario.

MGS 4 well that would have to win by default. Great video game movie with awesome CGI cut scenes in it.

I would like to have a seen a X360 exclusive game thrown in to make it a three way fight over which game is best on current generation console systems.



Aldro on 31 March 2009
el_rika said:
Khuutra said:
el_rika said:

My favourite out of the two ? MGS4 no doubt.

For those that actually "got" what the game is saying and at least partially understood the mind bending ideological depth of the story, the game is not only the best and most relevant in the series but for those like me that care about this stuff, the best game ever made.

On the other hand, as a pure "gaming" experience, MGS4 may fall short compared to non story driven games like Mario or whatever other strictly gameplay VG.

As an experience though, MGS4 > SMG by miles.

Would you mind explaining this? I wasn't aware that there was any particularly deep theme running through MGS4 - I thought it was all kind of right there on the surface, but I would be gladly corrected.

I wouldn't know where to begin really. It is just too much to write on this subject. I can however recommend you a good read which, while only scratching the surface, it is fairly well written and presented.

So try the MGS4 Complete Official Guide. It is a good start, as it has a general analysis of MGS4's story and overall MG universe in the light of MGS4's revelations, but i should recommend using the book only as a matter of confronting it with one's own conclusions and not as a means to quickly learn the intended meaning.

 

+1.

 

MGS4 = Best game I ever played.

 



perpride on 31 March 2009
Khuutra said:

Wait, why would I need to read that? I know the story of it, I'm just asking what philosophical depth there is.

 

I'm just gonna say what comes to my mind it might not hold valid with you:

The Patriots in general can be seen as world actors that are outside of mans direct influence. There is no "patriots" entity at the point that this game takes place, it is simply a system that they left behind which has evolved into something that most people accept as reality.

The war economy in general is an amazing. A world where patriotic nationalism and multilateralism have been replaced by new constitutional actors in the form of PMC's. War is fought for the sake of fighting wars. In other words, there is absolutley nothing starting or stopping wars because of the immense amount of wealth that can be gained.

Old man reaching the end of his life after decades of strife is faced with the decision of wiping out his own kind. Returning to shadow moses after ten years to see the place the way you left it...

and my class is done I will hopefully return let me know what you think if you read this though.



Khuutra on 31 March 2009

That's a very good summary, but they pretty much tell you every single word of that at least once apiece throughout the game. It's a summary of the plot, not a treatise of philosophical concepts intrinsic to the narrative.

Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me.