@pristine

exactly!

Why are you mainly talking about home consoles here? Why does everybody that bitches about JRPGs in general consistently ignore the fact that the dominant platform for JRPGs is a handheld? Get over it. This must be what the Nintendo fans always talk about, moving the goal posts in an argument. First it was simply turnbased RPGs are dying. Now it's like turnbased RPGs are dying on consoles. No shit. Guess what else is dying on consoles? Turn based strategy RPGs, action RPGs and just about all other RPGs coming out of Japan.

FYI, FF XII is turn based. I'm not sure what game you thought you played.

@pristine-Pokemon has every attribute of what makes a JRPG what it is. Monster collecting as you would say is also in Persona and Dragon Quest V. Do you make the same claims that both deserve to be in a ridiculous bubble genre called "Monster collecting"?

@onyxmeth

jeez chill out

we can't assume JRPG's are dead on home consoles till the GAMES that increase the fanbase of JRPG people on consoles come...i.e. FF13 & DQ 10

Without Halo 3 360's FPS fanbase wouldn't have been built

& FF12 wasn't turn based

by turn based I am talking about FFX style gameplay....not real time

I completely agree with Onyxmeth. The reason JRPGs seem to be dieing to console owners is because JRPG developers havent really embraced the home consoles yet (if they ever will). I think though that developers will embrace the wii eventually though, which will fly in the face of JRPG fans who own a PS3.

FF 12 wasn't real time in any sense of the word.

There are plenty of good JRPG already released. They're mostly on 360 with a few of them on Wii. Also, Lost Odyssey is a lot like FFX.

I think jRPG in general is dying because no one can stand 20 years of cliches both gameplay and story-wise.

Halo 3 came out two years into the console generation and it was preceded by Call of Duty 2(2.39 mil), Call of Duty 3(2.2.7 mil), Gears of War(5.87 mil), Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter(2.24 mil), Rainbow Six Vegas(1.94 mil), Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 3(1.39 mil) and Perfect Dark Zero(1.29 mil). We already knew there was a heavy shooter consumer base on the 360 well before Halo 3 came out. Bad example.

Why did you say you were mainly talking about home consoles in a reply when your OP mentioned nothing at all? It's obvious that RPGs are moving over to handhelds at a quick pace, so to ignore that for the sake of this argument is as silly as arguing why the Gamecube and Xox didn't have enough turnbased RPGs. You want to know why? Because they were on PS2.

It should be noted that the highest selling RPG franchises are still majorly turnbased. Pokemon and Dragon Quest are. Final Fantasy has changed it's battle system between traditional turn based, active time turn based, conditional turnbased or active dimensional battle(these are all Square terminologies). They are all variations of a turnbased contest.

Even FF XII is turnbased. It just works along an individual's personal turn as opposed to the team's. I mean you can choose to have the game pause while you menu select. How is that real time? However you cannot spam moves. Your characters individually take a turn and their meter must fill to execute the attack and renew the process. There in lies it's connections to past turnbased battle systems Final Fantasies have used. That does not put it into contention with games like Tales of Vesperia that have actual attack and guard buttons like an action game does. It is merely a different way to look at turnbased battle. So while you may not like the direction the game took, it does fall under the basic elements of what turnbased battles employ with are menubased selections, and waiting to execute a command.

Battling the Esper Ultima in Final Fantasy XII.

I'm very displeased . I've yet to even come close to finishing FF XII because it's not turn-based.

FFXII is turn-based, it's the Active Time Battle that seems to trick people into believing it's not.