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stof on 30 March 2009

thank's Montana, but don't worry, I got this one.

It's not that I'm offended in the slightest Mrs. L. It's just that you're not stating your beliefs so much as you're linking to a really awful idealogue pundit who talks out his ass. The moment I saw Glen Beck I knew it was going to be pompous douchebagery.

"I believe in Justice"? As opposed to people that don't believe in justice? No, this isn't a declaration that we need to do the right thing... it's a right wing "tough on crime" stance. The same kind of stance that leads to the U.S.'s insanely high prison rates... and crime rates.

There's nothing unifying and universally true about his "Principles". It's just his specific ideology wrapped up in the flag. And you should always be careful of something that needs to wrap itself in the flag, because it's probably pretty damn ugly naked.



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NinjaguyDan on 30 March 2009
halogamer1989 said:
vlad321 said:
@Halo
For someone who is so conservative I find it VERY interesting you like Lincoln.

Why because of the rumor that he was a RINO?  He was the 1st Republican president so of course there was some settling going on into what the early base would eventually believe in.  

 

I also like Eisenhower's military finesse, Nixon's early appeal and ways of "sockin' it" to the enemy, Reagan for obvious reasons, and GWB's Christian and no retreat, no surrender attitude.  Anyway, that's just some of my thoughts.

 

Settling?  More like a MAJOR upheaval.

Eisenhower warned us about the "military industrial complex" and he was ignored.

Now, the U.S. needlessly spends almost as much on defense as the rest of the world COMBINED.

As far as dubya's Christianity, who would Jesus bomb?



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highwaystar101 on 30 March 2009

^GWB's Christianity just made him target Muslims all the more, making them out to all be terrorists. Anyone who is actually friends with a Muslim would realise they re not terrorists in the slightest, 1% of them may be, but that's the same with any group of people.



mrs.nordlead on 30 March 2009
stof said:

thank's Montana, but don't worry, I got this one.

It's not that I'm offended in the slightest Mrs. L. It's just that you're not stating your beliefs so much as you're linking to a really awful idealogue pundit who talks out his ass. The moment I saw Glen Beck I knew it was going to be pompous douchebagery.

"I believe in Justice"? As opposed to people that don't believe in justice? No, this isn't a declaration that we need to do the right thing... it's a right wing "tough on crime" stance. The same kind of stance that leads to the U.S.'s insanely high prison rates... and crime rates.

There's nothing unifying and universally true about his "Principles". It's just his specific ideology wrapped up in the flag. And you should always be careful of something that needs to wrap itself in the flag, because it's probably pretty damn ugly naked.

 

well im sorry you feel that way(i think you are compleatly wrong, but hey). as for being tough on crime leading to high prison rates, that is rediculous. maybe if we were tough on crime like we should be, people wouldnt be as likely to commit them. i dont know about you, but i sure dont want rapist's and murderes walking around free. a lot of places in this county havent been tough on crime in a long while and that is why crime rates are high. you dont like glen beck...fine, you think his principles are awful...fine. the main reason i linked to that site was for the videos on the tea partys(which i think is a great idea), but i do agree with his values and principles and for what he, and what this country used to, stand for.



theprof00 on 30 March 2009
theprof00 said:
I too am glad someone pointed that out. It is the perfect example of conservatives spinning the evidence for their own motives.

Europe and EU include: Latvia, lithuania, estonia, albania, estonia, moldova...and so on
If you want to say we should be no better than a conglomerate of those countries and others, like France and germany, poland, and switzerland, then maybe we should start identifying who these dangerous "states" are within our own country.

Then we can start increasing gun control in those area...... OH WAIT
Thats what we are already doing!!!

 

I would like  response to this. It's about the comparison of europe vs US murder rates, Europe being at like 5.6 and US at 5.8. The idea someone brought up was that Europe has less gun violence but the murder rate is still high.

You should check that wiki page you posted and look up the rates of european countries like the ones I mentioned which you feel are an adequate comparison to the United States themselves.



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halogamer1989 on 30 March 2009
NinjaguyDan said:
halogamer1989 said:
vlad321 said:
@Halo
For someone who is so conservative I find it VERY interesting you like Lincoln.

Why because of the rumor that he was a RINO?  He was the 1st Republican president so of course there was some settling going on into what the early base would eventually believe in.  

 

I also like Eisenhower's military finesse, Nixon's early appeal and ways of "sockin' it" to the enemy, Reagan for obvious reasons, and GWB's Christian and no retreat, no surrender attitude.  Anyway, that's just some of my thoughts.

 

Settling?  More like a MAJOR upheaval.

Eisenhower warned us about the "military industrial complex" and he was ignored.

Now, the U.S. needlessly spends almost as much on defense as the rest of the world COMBINED.

As far as dubya's Christianity, who would Jesus bomb?

Jesus was not 110% pacifist.  We were attacked by the radicals and we have the right to spend a percentage of out GDP to put a boot up their ass and protect the world.  You quote Stockholm Peace Research btw--that's really objective isn't it

I am not going to argue with anyone else here as they have made up their minds and are not open to opinion.

 



vlad321 on 30 March 2009
halogamer1989 said:
vlad321 said:
@Halo
For someone who is so conservative I find it VERY interesting you like Lincoln.

Why because of the rumor that he was a RINO?  He was the 1st Republican president so of course there was some settling going on into what the early base would eventually believe in.  

 

I also like Eisenhower's military finesse, Nixon's early appeal and ways of "sockin' it" to the enemy, Reagan for obvious reasons, and GWB's Christian and no retreat, no surrender attitude.  Anyway, that's just some of my thoughts.

 

 

Just about all conservatives I have met have stuck to the viewpoint that if it is not explicitly stated in the Constitution, then it should not be controlled, none of this "interstate trade" bullshit they are pulling.

Yet, Lincoln has done one of the most unconstituional acts of any president. That's why I'm wondering.

 

@Montana

I hear she is new at this interwebz business, cut her some slack. I remember when I was new to the thing, bad day.

@Mrs.

Maybe instead of being tough on crime it would be better if we focused on the reasons WHY the crime was committed in the first place? IMO, if everyone had that government to back on, they would commit less crimes, and thus we'd all be better for it. I don't mind paying higher taxes if it means less people out there are stealing and killing.



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mesoteto on 30 March 2009
Esmoreit said:
TheRealMafoo said:
highwaystar101 said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/03/uk_gun_crime/img/2.jpg

Hmmm, the country that allows guns has more gun related homicides, funny that isn't it considering it is for your protection.

 

It's not for your personal protection. It's to uprise against government.

That uprising against the government argument is quite passé by now, isn't it? The government has so many bodies on place that it could not ever spin into such an uncomfortable state that a massive armed uprising could occur. In all honesty, I rather believe that when such a thing occurs half the people will side with the government immidiatly negating any advtage a lone gunmen in a cabin in northern Missouri might have.

 

 

is there a chart to show teh total number of killing regarless of teh weapon used, b/c for all we know more people could die in france its just done with posion, or a knife

 

or in EnGland its just done with garrot wire and cricket bats



 

TheRealMafoo on 30 March 2009
theprof00 said:
theprof00 said:
I too am glad someone pointed that out. It is the perfect example of conservatives spinning the evidence for their own motives.

Europe and EU include: Latvia, lithuania, estonia, albania, estonia, moldova...and so on
If you want to say we should be no better than a conglomerate of those countries and others, like France and germany, poland, and switzerland, then maybe we should start identifying who these dangerous "states" are within our own country.

Then we can start increasing gun control in those area...... OH WAIT
Thats what we are already doing!!!

 

I would like response to this. It's about the comparison of europe vs US murder rates, Europe being at like 5.6 and US at 5.8. The idea someone brought up was that Europe has less gun violence but the murder rate is still high.

You should check that wiki page you posted and look up the rates of european countries like the ones I mentioned which you feel are an adequate comparison to the United States themselves.

 

So you want to cherry pick the countries with gun control that have low murder rates, and then say "look, get rid of the guns and murder will go down".

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.



theprof00 on 30 March 2009

haha, that was a nice one mafoo. But it wasn't me making this comparison, it was your side. Are there some states that are like muldova and lithuania? Its your argument to make.