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Darc Requiem said:
forevercloud3000 said:
Darc Requiem said:

Would you grow up already. Good lord man, if I see another Sony fanboy talk about betrayal in reference to Square-Enix I'm going to hurl. Another case of SSMS. Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Star Ocean, etc. got their start on Nintendo platforms. Square Enix has always went where they felt the most profit could be gained. If you didn't care about them "betraying" Nintendo, then don't bitch now. They are third party developer. I would figure their fans would own a DS, PSP, and 360 by now. Now fanboys on the other hand....

 

firstly, what the hell are you talking about? I can care less whether you like what Sony fans have to say or not, vomit your brains out for all I care. The fact remains that SE is doing terrible because of their actions this gen, one of the most disturbing is their decision not to sfupport the PS3 for any of their HD games so far. Is this not true? Are many PS3 fans not also SE fans(at least from previous consoles)? Are square making the bank they predicted from putting their games on 360 only? NO! Are SE not putting out garbage games for consoles in favor of AAA ones?

If I am not wrong then what is your point?

And the "Betrayal" of the PS3 by SE as its sole destination for all its games was not the topic of this thread. People like you like to bring everything to that when someone complains about SE's failings as a JRPG giant. The fact is they are doing badly due to some of these decisions and that is what we are discussing

I don't know why you even bothered to respond. Your rant only served to proved that you are more of Sony fanboy than a Square Enix fan.  Fans follow games not platforms. Also Third Parties can't "betray" console manufacturers. The whole purpose of being third party is to be able to place your software on whatever platform that you'd like. Sony has not given SE any financial incentive ala the PS1 days and doesn't have a overwhelming lead like they did in the PS2 days. As I said in my prior post, just grow up already.

@CGI Quality

Nintendo's decision to stick with the cartridge format was the main reason for the falling out between Square and Nintendo. With NEC, Sega, and Sony going to an optical disk format, Square Enix didn't want to be handicapped by the limited space and high costs of the cartridge format. Sony's financial incentives and NEC's failure were the reason Square choose Sony over Sega. At the time FFVII began it's development for Playstation the Saturn was outselling the Playstation in Japan by 2 to 1. In fact it was FFVII's release on PS that effectively ended the 1st place battle between the Saturn and Playstation in Japan.

LOL @ YOU

I said "Betrayal" as in referering to what YOU said. Not my words, yours. Did you not see the quotes? Once again you are trying to steer the thread into a direction that it was not actually directed for to suite your own argument.

 



      

      

      

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Legend11 said:
Doesn't Sony require multi-platform games that come to their system later to have exclusive content? Maybe that's the reason Square Enix chose to not bring those games to the PS3. It's like a one-two punch with Sony, they make a system that is not as easy to program for, then punish any third-parties that finish other versions earlier and want to get those versions out to make a particular quarter.

 

that is correct.  I forgot about that, and could very well be a reason. Was this game made on crystal tools? If not it probably is because the used 360 as the main platform then they thought they could port it over really quick and when they tried doing it went "oh shit"



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Darc Requiem said:
ShadowSoldier said:
@Darc

You seem to be really grasping at straws. The quality WAS the forefront and that was what led to FFVII. Sony fans do have a right to be mad because this time instead of Square opting to make a better quality game the reason why they're making games for another console has nothing to do with Quality what so ever

I'm grasping at nothing. Cartridge costs were 25 to 35 times the cost of CD cost per game. That is not including the licensing fee. If quality were the sole factor in their decision Square Enix could developed games for the PC Engine CD. However the Super Famicom had the largests usebase by far. If quality was the sole focus behind their decision making they would made the jump to CD when NEC did, especially NEC was moderately successful in Japan.

@CGI Quality

I understood the question. However it seems that you and others failed the to read "and highs costs of the cartridge format" part of my post. When something will cost you 25 to 35 times as much per unit its a major part of the decision making process. Cartridges had to be order months in advance and ordering a million FFVII cartridges for grand total of $25 million dollars(I'll use the lower capacity price) certainly didn't look as appealing as ordering 3 million FFVII CDs (the game was three disks) for $3 million dollars. Especially when Sony was charging the lowest licensing fees.

And put FF7 at the head of a 100 million dollar marketing campaign in the US.

 



CGI-Quality said:
@ kas

You're ACTUALLY going to tell me that FFVII was a turn downhill? O.o

Yeah.  IGN agrees.

I bought a PS1 specifically for FF7 and was never more disapointed in my life.

Luckily Front Mission 3 ruled, Final Fantasy Tactics was good and they rereleased both Ogre games on PS1 to make it up to me.

 



Square-Enix Quality Games may have hurt them a bit this gen but you have to remember there are quality games on the DS and PSP,You guys just need to do some research before Reading this thread,I can name some games on top of my head right now .



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It seems the more "westernized" games S-E make the less they sell.

Bring back the FF1 - FF10 years please.



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Kasz216 said:
CGI-Quality said:
@ Jay

Tell me, when Squaresoft moved from Nintendo to Sony was it uphill or downhill? Now, tell me, is SquareEnix currently moving uphill or downhill? Remember, quality speaking.

Downhill....

FF4 is seen as the best JRPG made according to IGN for example.

FF6, CT, FF4 and Bahamut Lagoon.  Little Square has made have matched those 4 games since.

your opinion. IMO, nothing from square matches, xenogears, ffviii, vagrant story, yes Chrono cross> chrono trigger (ask GS the harsh reviewer, they gave CC a 10 waay b4 gta4), parasite eve 2, ffvii and parasite eve.

 



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Kasz216 said:
CGI-Quality said:
@ kas

You're ACTUALLY going to tell me that FFVII was a turn downhill? O.o

Yeah.  IGN agrees.

I bought a PS1 specifically for FF7 and was never more disapointed in my life.

Luckily Front Mission 3 ruled, Final Fantasy Tactics was good and they rereleased both Ogre games on PS1 to make it up to me.

 

all ready to discredit anything else Kasz says after this comment?

*raises hand*

 



      

      

      

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Pristine20 said:
hey M$ $$$ >>> ps3 sales $$$. It's all about the benjamins.

This is what we call a "square-enix for the world" strategy made by our favorite CEO Yoichi Wada.

 

Yep.

Microsoft has humbled Square Enix.



Kasz216 said:
CGI-Quality said:
@ kas

You're ACTUALLY going to tell me that FFVII was a turn downhill? O.o

Yeah.  IGN agrees.

I bought a PS1 specifically for FF7 and was never more disapointed in my life.

Luckily Front Mission 3 ruled, Final Fantasy Tactics was good and they rereleased both Ogre games on PS1 to make it up to me.

 

 

You have no soul man.



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I dont want to be fanboy anymore...Why? it takes to much work but i will call on ppl on there B.S!!!:)